House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) may believe that the Democratic Party is "capitalist, and that's just the way it is," but a new Gallup poll out Monday shows that support for capitalism among Democratic voters has hit a record low while a steady majority of the Democratic base has a favorable view of socialism.
Oh No dnc and dccc better get busy to change our minds so they can keep getting money from wall street.
I’ll be voting Green.
Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on the Sunday TeeVee show was the best free advertisement for Socialism you could ask for. She looks like she doesn’t know whether to shit, or wind her watch, about half the time. What a hot mess!!!
Yeah well she (and Harris) sure have their heads on straight when it comes to sucking up to the MIC. They BOTH voted for the defense bill.
As Nordic countries show, socialism works best for some things and capitalism for others. Its not either or. Although theirs is a dynamic system, what gives it solidity and permanence is direct democracy. No need to kill each other over it.
How to convert an economy based on fear to one based on joy
I kind of question where these poll numbers came from because I think those percentages are way too high that Dems favor capitalism at this point in the game. Really? That’s depressing if its true because that’s way too many.
“The system” includes economics and politics. Reality is it is politics where ‘the system’ has largely failed, but unfortunately the critics of capitalism haven’t really turned out in their superior numbers at the polls yet, which kinda makes you question how much they truly understand this aspect.
This viewpoint also assumes there are only two directions one can go, but the truth is there is only one direction we can go to fix these structural inequities, and that is through the shifting of taxes off of labor and onto the rent of land.
Let’s not forget how many people the US has killed just since WW2:
I don’t think a majority of Democrats favor state control of the means of production. I think they do favor worker cooperative but these are usually reserved for small scale businesses. I think all Democrats running for office accept capitalism but want income redistribution through tax reform and more social programs. I think the basic difference between the Republicans and Democrats on this involves redistribution of income and corporate regulation. I can’t recall any Democrat running for office saying they opposed capitalism and that includes Bernie Sanders who has said he does not oppose private business that is run right. I think there are socialist third parties in the US that do advocate ending capitalism and replacing it with socialism. I don’t even believe the Green Party advocates that. I would say the Occupy movement advocated some sort of vague alternative to capitalism. Although it was never clear what was being advocated or how to achieve it and since Occupy had no leaders it is hard to say who spoke for it.
So what exactly is your critique with Venezuela?
Yes it’s a serious question. Articulate your position.
First off, I want a democracy, not a bunch of crooks running the government. “The public wants what the public gets,” so it doesn’t really matter which way I would come down in this simplistic poll question.
Assuming that we have a Cambridge, Massachusetts City Council style of national government, well managed and the City Council looks a lot like the electorate, I would like a micro-scale market economy as one tool in the government’s toolbox. I like the part of local farmer’s markets where the consumers consistently get good-looking veggies. On the other hand, I don’t want the farmers to be dying early of stress. That happens.
Do I like billionaires, either foreign or domestic these days, buying the U.S. government? No. If we had a socialist government that was being bought by foreign billionaires, would I be any happier about the situation? No.
When one looks to Denmark for solutions, it is important to understand the history that helped shape Denmark’s political and economic culture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5_I6noG0ps
Nobody is unaware that they’re having financial difficulties.
I wanted you to to articulate and substantiate some type of correlation between socialism and Venezuela’s economic condition. Something other than just simple innuendo.
Your link is not working. Here’s a critique of John Oliver’s video on Venezuela.
This is exactly why democRATs must be eliminated… no system in human history has killed more people or impoverished more people than socialism, and that is just in the last 100 years!
“The system has failed tens of millions of people who want and deserve something better.”
I was going to point out that we could say the same thing about socialism.
Yeah I think we have to acknowledge all the factors including the price drop in oil the corrupt Capital class within Venezuela which perpetually undermines the system; such as here;
" It came as little surprise that the commercial bourgeoisie hoarded goods and raised prices at will or that the industrial and financial sectors sent their capital abroad to starve the national economy. But it is surprising that those who were responsible for transforming the Venezuelan state — for attacking corruption and for introducing redistribution policies — also took their share."
" Of course, the bourgeoisie have fared well. They happily colluded with the new Chavista elites to embezzle public funds, speculate in the currency markets, and invest their profits abroad."
" The crisis in Venezuela represents a complete rejection of the Bolivarian revolution: the gains made by the poor and working classes have all but disappeared while the capitalist elite have maintained their wealth and power."
** are you going to fix your link so that I can assess your source**
It’s not just that people don’t know. Looking at CD message boards as a sample, people don’t want to know what capitalism or socialism is - if it differs from their own pre-selected definitions. Socialism is Denmark, no socialism is Venezuela, no socialism is Stalinism, no socialism is state intervention, no capitalism is barter… There’s hardly even any point in discussing if people are so incurious and impervious to learning anything new. Just replaying the same worn out debates.
Fortunately, most Democrats, and most people under 36, want something different… whatever that is.
As the world keeps growing and demands for natural gas increase, why is Venezuelan supply not being sold off. Could U.S. and MENA countries be monkey wrenching the market?
As you say, supply and demand never lie. But, they have been known to gang up and play the bully, from time to time. Iran, Iraq, Libya and Venezuela probably wish the " never lie " rules were in effect more uniformly and thoughtfully.