Sorry, have to respond one last time. You came here arrogant and ignorant, and are now just throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks. I was providing a context, showing that state-led forms of economic development across the world have lifted people out of poverty and did well during the Cold War period. Your free market fantasies have never led to actual development. European socialism and social democracy, social democracy in the US “won” the Cold War, and things have worsened since we moved away from that. In Asia, you have the “capitalist” success stories, which were one party states that employed a state-led form of economic development. The countries doing the worst are overwhelmingly the ones that have closely followed the free market playbook. You can throw out Venezuela (without knowing anything about the economy there or what came before Chavez), I can point to this. I win, you do not.
In China, I wasn’t glorifying the Maoist period, although I tried to provide more context. If I were to discuss the US as you do China, I would just point to slavery, the wiping out of the indigenous population, brutal imperialism and foreign wars, and I would say that was the US.
The US isn’t just that though, cause history is actually complex, even if you are clearly not.
Like the fact that there were famines in the 19th century in China that occurred under British rule that were actually worse than the horrible famine during the Great Leap Forward. Want to blame that on socialism too? The reason for persistent mass famines (which haven’t occurred since the GLF) is obvious, if you know China. It has among the lowest percentage of land available on Earth that can be used to grow food. Most of China is essentially a desert, as far as per capita water availability, and there is great regional variation. Most of the water is in southern China, near where I lived. In the past, it was a drought away from mass famine. I haven’t a clue where you get your 80,000,000 figure from, but like everything else you said, it probably just came from your silly head. What I can say is that famine under British rule in India was just as horrible too, and Amartya Sen studied the famine in Bengal in 1943 and showed that it was largely explained by decisions the government there made. His numbers show that famine under British rule in India was just as deadly as the famines in China in the last few centuries. But the question is how China went from the state it was in in 1949 to now overtaking the US as the largest economy in the world (taking PPP into account that is). It will be twice as big if current trends continue in a few decades. It didn’t get here by capitalism as you would define it. All modern countries developed behind state capitalism, social democracy or socialism. No economy developed behind free markets. So, your argument is kaput.
And this thread is about the environmental crisis. I have a background in ecological economics. There is no realistic way that capitalism can deal with the environmental crisis. Environmental impacts are missing in prices, we have reached the limits to growth in throughput and pollution generation, and there is no way to operate within sustainable limits without some form of coordination. Socialism, like capitalism, has a mixed record. But socialism in Sweden allows for a lot of democratic participation, and they have employed a democratic form of planning that we will have to use moving forward, unless people like you win and a brutal form of top down fascism is put in place. Capitalism as we know it will not survive the environmental crisis, one way or the other.
You can also stop pretending to be in a morally superior position if you defend the US and the West’s foreign policy, Western colonialism and imperialism, and the economic policies it has forced on poorer countries. The US in SE Asia, supporting all the coups and dictatorships for decades now. Right now we support about three quarters of the dictatorships worldwide, and we are majorly responsible for the condition that Central America is now in. King Leopold in the Congo? The British in China and India? The west when it made its way to modern Haiti and the Dominican Republic, North and South America? You on the one hand pretend to be in a morally superior position in throwing out some large number with Mao, but then deride other countries as “shit countries”, completely ignoring the extreme violence, Western imperialism, the drug war and the economic policies we forced on those countries. What a rotten person you are.