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'A Threat to a Fair Election': Experts Warn of Danger Posed by Armed Pro-Trump Poll Watchers

I think Bernie addressed this dilemma very well last night on Kimmel’s show, (worth watching). In short, there is no working with drumpf. And he will do everything in his power to make and hold Biden and the democrats accountable.

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Biden’s a net negative, to be sure, but he’s neither a Mussolini nor a Hitler nor anything close. Trump, on the other hand, aspires to just those kinds of roles. Should he win, he’ll have an excellent chance of making it happen.

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…stupid phucking white people

Which are predominantly INSECURE white MEN.

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Do you really think that Sanders, who somehow thought that he was going to create a “political revolution” while running for president as a corporate Democrat, can make Biden and the Democratic Party accountable? I strongly suggest that you read Yesterday’s Man as Branko Marcetic informs the reader how Biden sought for decades to implement center or center right policies when he was a congressperson and senator. And thinking that Sanders is somehow going to reform the Democratic Party is an exercise in self-delusion. Lance Selfa points out the many flaws of the Democratic Party which have been on display for over one hundred years in his brilliant book called The Democrats: A Critical History.

As for Kimmel it is rather doubtful if he has ever had a genuine socialist on his program such as a Richard Wolff.

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I agree. The problem with depending on the police to disrupt these intimidation attempts is that a lot of police are on the side of the intimidators, or will take their side if a dispute occurs . Just look at how they have been treating peaceful protesters as of lately.

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You make an excellent point. I have no use for Biden, but he is the LOTE ( and who wouldn’t be! ) If Trump is reelected I can see where Common Dreams and other Progressive sites could be censored and demonized as anti American. All Trump and his fellow fascist thugs would need is a false flag of some kind that implicates them as terrorist propaganda.Much like how the Communists were demonized as anti American and dangerous in the 1950’s.

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Bernie knows and understands full well who Biden is, he’s not fooling himself. What Bernie said is that he’ll do everything in his power to hold Biden/DNC accountable. We shall see (my crystal ball is on the blink at the moment).

Bernie running as a “corporate Democrat”, hmm.

Btw, as Nader has said, your vote belongs to you. So, there’s no problem as far as I can see.

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Your suggestion that the difference between a Trump and a Biden presidency is absurd. With this post, you choose to ignore the blatantly obvious differences between the Trump Death Cult and Biden and the unDemocrats. Trump’s Death Cult is literally built on fanaticism. It openly and aggressively fosters domestic violence and terrorism. That alone makes the two more than meaningfully different.

And in your subsequent post in this thread, you even refer to the fanaticism of Trump’s Death Cult, demonstrating to all here that you’re well aware of the differences between the two men and what they represent.

It’s one thing to be so damned mad at the unDemocratic Party and so disrespectful of what they’ve become that you cannot stomach supporting them. That, I can at least respect. But it’s another thing altogether to continue with the nonsensical suggestion that there’s no meaningful difference between the two, that a Biden presidency would promise the same things for the country that would a Trump presidency. That’s simply not the case.

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This article focuses on a clear and present danger to the entire country, not just when the Trump Militia shows up at polling places.
Emboldened by the acquittal of Amen Bunglebee for his armed takeover and trashing of an Oregon federal wildlife refuge, and other acquittals for right-wingers who wage war against government, the plot against the Michigan governor and other insurgencies are led from the White House via stochastic terrorism.
America is facing grave danger from within. There will be no easy way out of this. What has happened to destroy other decadent empires is happening to us, and it won’t be fun.

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Thoughts and prayers are what got us here in the first place.

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" and working off right wing propaganda of FEAR. "
and HATE!

My first thought was to have the different State’s police arrest them and give them the option of serving jail time or joining the REAL armed forces. But then the last thing I want these disturbed individuals to do is get better training on how to hate and kill.

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Well said. If Crumpus thugs his way into a second term, we will see a scorched-earth policy the likes we have never witnessed. That will the end of our democracy.

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“The possibility of armed factions with military-style rifles showing up at polling places is very troubling,” Gardiner added.

This is what happens when there is no gun control in place.

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A belief that race or sex inherently determines behavior and attitudes is the very definition of racism and sexism.

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Belarus is a good example of a country with effective gun control. A nation where only the police have guns is the definition of a police-state.

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The Democrats need to promptly apply to the U.N. to send in REAL poll monitors like in every other 3rd world nation.

'course, then it would be obvious that our elections are meaningless…

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Timothy Snyder - On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century

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That’s a false dichotomy isn’t it? Passing laws forbidding gatherings of armed civilians in public places would be a form of gun control. Arguably with what we’ve seen with police coddling right wing militia members, it might in this case be a good barrier to put into place, specifically from moving further into the status of a police state.

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Ok for the feeble minded

Tweedle Biden is only a defeatable candidate with all his faults

Which we know to be true because of the DNC’s idiot loss last election

Tweedle dump won’t give you a chance to vote cause he knows we all want him
And voting is a waste of his time

And we know that to be true because he is invoking lead poisoning and nazis to get it done

So you are going to have to be a little more coherent in your arguments than just

You don’t see the difference

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I believe the concern you’ve just raised is the single most important consideration for voters in this election. Given what Trump has already accomplished - his already significant transformation of the agencies of our federal government, his loading of the federal court system culminating in this next Supreme Court appointment, the complete transformation of the GOP into the Trump Death Cult, a fanatic, right wing rabble that fully embraces his despotism, the continuing transformation of many (most?) of our state governments into supporting and enforcement chapters of his Death Cult - the transformation into a frank autocratic and fascistic state will happen faster than we can imagine.

Dissent and political opposition would be opposed and ultimately silenced. Freedom of the press and of speech would become a thing of the past. And they’d do it all under the color of law, for they will control most of the government(s). Hell, they’re already engaged in many of these tactics.

It simply could not be more obvious or more foreboding. We’re constantly being shown exactly what Trump and his Death Cult want to do and will do, if we allow it. However bad the next four years under a Biden presidency might be and I don’t suggest they’ll be good years, we’d come out on the other side with some semblance of our nation’s institutions and democratic processes in place. With Trump, we know that it’s those very institutions and processes he’s set out to destroy. How would a public forum like Common Dreams fare under a Trump regime? The answer seems pretty clear to me.

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