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'About Damn Time': In First of Thousands of Lawsuits Against Big Pharma, Johnson & Johnson Ordered to Pay $572M for Flooding Oklahoma With Opioids

Yuppers. This is no more than an emergency siren about inequities of SCALE. This is sock-puppet funding for Big Pharma. Lies on the cheap. To be taken as a lesson in how broken the system is - no, correct that, how the system is breaking life itself. If its not poisoning human beings, its raping the earth.

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Unless something has changed, monetary damages, or fines, are tax-deductible as “ordinary and necessary business expenses,” like advertising.

You are correct. All this has done is made it much, much harder for those with chronic pain to receive treatment where only opioids provided relief. Now billions of healthcare dollars will be spent on rehab (that often doesn’t work); chiropractors (which is usually temporary); and other useless therapies that do little more than waste time and healthcare funding.

I’m amazed that anyone, the public and especially doctors, believed opioids were “not addictive.” Many medications are addictive. Many commonly prescribed medications have severe and non-reversible side effects and are still prescribed.

Most of those dying from opioid “addiction” were haphazardly using diverted (or prescribed) medications to get high and/or mixing them with alcohol and other respiratory depressants. Opioids are actually safe and effective when used under a doctor’s care and as prescribed.

Alcohol kills more people each year than opioids ever did, it just does it much slower and at a higher cost to society (health care dollars, DUIs, incarcerations, etc). So when will alcohol be banned for the public’s good?


They tried banning alcohol, remember? How’d that work out?

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That’s because legislators use it themselves (with abandon).

So do I, other drugs too.

thanks. Most of us knew this was coming and we knew what the results would be. Just trying to get the people with resources to get the hell out of the US while they can, because it looks like the US is going to go to a virtual “opiate free zone” pretty soon, now that pain is being elevated to a civic virtue.

Fitting for a society that behaves like a bunch of Klingons.


Bottom line is the medicine is relatively safe if taken as intended and directed. The Sacklers weren’t lying about that. Oxycontin is a terrific medicine but there’s a catch: you can’t guzzle 4 bottles of wine with it.

That drug saved my mother’s life and added a decade to it. It’s made it possible for millions of people to keep jobs and live their lives almost normally.

Now most of us just struggle to get out of bed.


The fine is equal to 3.7% of J & J’s $15.7 bn profit last year. Icing on the cake for that corporation: Its “errors and omissions” insurance policy will cover the majority of the fine - which is standard operating procedure for the majority of U.S. corporations. No biggie for the morally upright J & J family.


Chump change. Those mega corpses pay twice that for selling off label.

Actually opioids were available over the counter before the WOD. I don’t remember having a drug problem here before that, or drug cartels and drug crime, or DOE busts, or mass encarceration.

Opioids and all other drugs are legal in Portugal and they’ve solved their drug problem quite effectively. Addicts are treated and addiction rates have plummeted. Little interdiction and imprisonment required.

Drug prohibition, like liquor prohibition before it, drives the business underground and produces drug cartels like the latter brought us the Mafia. It is used to frighten people into voting for conservative tough on crime politicians.

Opioid prohibition keeps doctors from prescribing them, the most effective means of controlling severe pain, to patients detriment. This is simply cruel.

“…Little interdiction and imprisonment required…”
These are likely seen as virtues instead of downsides.

A word about the doctors. Some were bad actors by being in the pill market, or by faulty prescribing. The majority of doctors worked responsibly to find the best treatment for each chronic pain patient, my wife, and now myself with my back.
The good doctors are threatened with having their medical license removed if continuing treatment for their pain patients. Thus they reluctantly reduce or remove pain prescriptions and the patient suffers or commits suicide.
The majority of opiate deaths are from foolish people who want to get high and fuck up. The patients now suffer because of the stupid users and the brain dead CDC and FDA. Not because of caring doctors, who sadly must choose between their patients well being, and their own livelihood.

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Europe waves hello.

They sell a lot of controlled substances OTC there. No major moral panic. No huge addiction problem. Pain relief up to consumer discretion, not the state and definitely not a bunch of shrinks opening chain rehab centers.

Semi-synthetics result in literally the same level of death on their own during both the loose and tight eras (1999 to 2018), indicating that prescription levels have zero effect on overdose morbidity.

So, no, it hasn’t been “demonstrated many times”. In fact, its’ been demonstrated “zero” times. Even the anti-opiate research indicates only that in some pain cases are NSAIDs as good as low dose opiates. Usually around 50%. But there’s no research indicating an elevated addiction rate from reformulated pharmaceutical grade narcotics other than the typical rate of fatality no higher than aspirin.


I am worried about kids who get hooked. Even grade schoolers spend far too much time out of sight of their parents and with their friends. Being unsupervised leads to all kinds of trouble. Parents thinks that if their kids friends are’good’ kids there is no danger. Not so!

The anti-opioid campaign serves the purposes of the insurance industry as well as the DEA and not the patients who are actually suffering acute, unrelenting, terrorizing pain. Its easier to attack the legitimate medical uses of opioids than it is to deal with the societal conditions that causes a significant percentage of our population to turn to the unregulated and dangerous use of black market opioids.

Studies show that the large percentage of deaths caused by opioids are due to drugs bought on the black market and not those legitimately prescribed by doctors to their suffering patients.

The anti-opioid campaign has served as perfect cover for the insurance industry as they increasingly deny payment for prescribed opioids. Which in turn forces patients, including those who are suffering from late stage cancer and several dozen other diseases and conditions that cause acute, unending pain to pay the skyrocketing cost (in large part due to the anti-opioid campaign) of legitimate and medically called for opioids.

Additionally, the anti-opioid hysteria serves the purposes of the DEA which was in danger of losing much of its funding due to the national movement to legalize marijuana. Now this agency has been given new life (and funding) as it expands its domain into terrorizing medical professionals that dare treat their patients for acute pain. DEA terrorism has reached the point that many doctors will no longer write prescriptions for opioids no matter how much pain their patients are suffering and if they are brave enough to risk prosecution by the drug police many pharmacies now refuse to fill the prescription under the cover of the claim that the DEA will revoke their license.

The anti-opioid hysteria has created a fine mess of an aspect of this countries medical profession. Instead of dealing with the problems that cause a significant percentage of our population to turn to the black market opioid market the drug police, insurance companies and politically motivated prosecutors have turned on the legal, easy to attack part of the medical profession that attempts to alleviate acute pain. In the process we are throwing out the baby (those who suffer acute, unrelenting pain) with the bath water.

there’s hooked and then there’s “hooked”. The latter requires a specific genetic marker to happen.

Most addicts aren’t, strictly speaking. That’s not to say they’re not driven to consume, but their drivers are psychosocial, not biological.

That means that if they really want to quit, it’s not too horrible to do it physically.

We mostly agree, but in fact, opioids did not exist until sometime in the late 80’s or early 90’s. Before that we had only organic opiates. The opioids are synthesized products, and until OxyContin was produced by Purdue, there were none. Certainly no opioids have ever been OTC.

I would be surprised if Portugal legalized opioids.