Despite failing to win an outright majority of seats in Parliament in Thursday's snap-election, British Prime Minister Theresa and her Conservative party looked determined to cling to power despite results that stripped them of the strong mandate they sought ahead of upcoming Brexit negotiations.
In the other thread proclaiming victory for Corbyn, I read a lot of comments that indicated people hadn’t looked very closely at the actual results.
For instance, the Conservatives didn’t lose that many seats and still hold the most seats by a fair margin.
And the Sottish National Party lost a lot of seats to Labour–in many respects that’s just breaking even.
Labour was the big gainer of seats, yet even combined with SNP, they still lag behind the Tories.
I’m not being a Debbie Downer–May clearly screwed up calling for this election–but the results are something less than a resounding win for Corbyn unless he pulls a coalition together and the DUP doesn’t vote in the Conservative camp.
Because DUP + Conservative = Majority for May.
yes, this is only a moral victory, not a real one, and it’s the real one we needed. Nevertheless, given the forces arrayed against him outside and, more importantly, inside his own party, this is still an impressive performance. I have no doubt what made the difference is the defection of Blairites to the tory camp in the vote (and you know they all voted for that pig May).
Much like their Clintonian cousins here, the neoliberal wing of “Labour” will always place personal wealth and ideology over everything else, even their own party.
This moral victory reminds me of the DNC apologists who tout Hillary’s ‘win’ of the popular vote.
Also, sadly, it reminds me of Bernie’s moral victory.
Mostly though, it reminds me of the right’s actual victories. And outside of crying ‘Russia’ every other minute, I don’t see the D-party doing much to pull itself together. As it stands right now, I’m a proud Independent.
So the real terrorists are…the elites will not back down and War is a Racket.
Time for Brits to fill the streets in protest. Time for a national strike that closes the country down until May steps down.
The neoliberal austerity world leaders will sell their souls to remain in power.
When you consider that UK press coverage that Corbyn has had to endure for the last two years and during this election, this is absolutely a win.
That Theresa May had to form a coalition with the DUP (I wanted to say “Ian Paisley’s DUP”) tells you just how right-wing the Tories are/have become - they need to be stopped. We’ll see whether the Tories will be able to re-legalize trade in ivory, as is in their platform, with this slim coalition majority.
Moral victories are the ones that matter - the ones that give one authority. This moral victory will build the foundation for the next Labour government.
Dismissing it as “only” moral reminds me of Ernst Teller’s remark that objections to the H Bomb were “merely” moral.
Still makes my blood boil.
That’s not how parliamentary democracies work. The result is a Hung Parliament. This is a massive blow for May, she is now the walking wounded, and with this feeble DUP alliance can only limp along walking on egg shells, her powers greatly reduced. She came to this election with a strong majority, total power, she gambled, lost and has limped away far weaker. Like swapping a tank for a bow and arrow. Whatever way you look at it, it’s a big blow and loss for the Tories. My guess is she won’t survive long before her own party hang her out to dry and next up will probably be ‘bell end Boris.’ Trump’s bastard twin brother who seem to share the same hairstylist.
Good peasants are loyal to their masters … the UK has a long tradition.
This DUP alliance could easily be counter-balanced if their opposition party in Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein, took the seats they’ve won in the British Parliament, which they never do for ideological reasons. It’s self-defeating because, by their absence, they are giving the Protestant Unionist DUP a free hand and all the power in the Brexit negotiations regarding the Northern Irish Border with Ireland and the EU.
“Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.”
This sounds like a comparison of apples to oranges. Losing politically in Great Britain is different than losing in the US, and so is winning.
May needed a mandate, the reason she called this election, and she didn’t get it. She lost that one. She wasn’t really running for Prime Minister, but she nearly lost her position seeking the aforementioned mandate. That’s called a close shave, not a victory in my book.
Consider she had to climb in bed with a hard right, science denying ally, the DUP to take the country in a direction that half the voters do not want to go, just to stay in power. (There is no formal coalition yet, and it doesn’t seem likely to happen. That leaves DUP with some modicum of free agency and the Tories razor thin majority in peril.) The Tories lost 16 seats. They are in a worse position than before the election. That’s also a loss.
Labour gained 37 seats. That’s a win by any account in a parliamentary system. So Labour picked up seats while Corbyn, who also held his seat, is stopped from forming a government by May’s alliance with DUP. He remains the voice of his party in Parliament, and maintains a bully pulpit from which he will continue to build power. So he didn’t become Prime Minister, but he is certainly positioned to become the next one. That’s a long way from where Corbyn/Labour started a few months ago.
A Corbyn Prime Ministry could result in a matter of months. Elections can happen quite unexpectedly in Britain, their voters are more animated and vocal about what is acceptable, and “Lordy,” the campaigns happen quickly. (They have national referenda, too, but that’s another thread.) Corbyn’s loss could easily be momentary. If it takes a while, Corbyn is still in position.
There’s civil unrest everywhere neoliberal/conservative policies have blossomed. Labour’s gains are the manifestation of this growing trend. It appears voters are finally beginning to favor the call for human-based policies over corporate-based ones. If this trend continues, and Labour continues to do what it’s been doing in the face of a media almost wholly opposed to Corbyn, the Brits will start moving toward economic, environmental, and civic justice long before the US.
Turns out, they win and we lose.
The Conservatives did not have a ‘strong majority.’ That’s why May called for this election. She had hoped to build her majority. Instead, she lost 12 seats–not a crushing defeat but, yes, significant.
Oh, and most likely, she’ll remain PM, though the Tories, as you suggest, will look for her replacement.
Man, tell us what you really think! Great video, really tells the truth about a party that most of us across the pond never heard of.
I don’t disagree with anything you state. Except the Tories lost 12 seats, not 16.
I would simply caution you to let the dust settle because if this election accomplished anything, it threw doors open to possibilities. Obviously, I cheer the hell out of Corbyn, and considering his uphill climb against his own party no less, he’s picked up serious momentum–but the power struggle is ongoing.
The problem for the right is different now than in the past. 30 years ago, these people were calling for things that were long off in the distance. They knew that change would be incremental and, at the time, it was at least debatable what the macroeconomic impacts would be, and were as these neoliberal reforms were being implemented. So, they could rail against the state and blather on about efficiency, but their end game was far away and they were able to hold off being held responsible for the horrible impacts of their policies by one bubble after another. They could hide behind theories and empty rhetoric. Now, we are approaching that end game and we have 30 years of data on the impact of these policies. It’s been a failure and the right holds on to power because of outright corruption and little more. There isn’t much more debate, what we have to deal with now is handling how to remove these rotten bastards from power given that they’ve created policies and institutions like the WTO and bilateral trade agreements that cement in disastrous, inequitable, undemocratic and deeply unpopular policies. People are increasingly dealing with the actual real world impact of these policies, the end game will be outright detrimental to most people and, in regards to the environment, possibly terminal.
One thing, however, keeping people like May, Clinton, Paul Ryan and the like in power is the rightward drift of parties that used to be democratic socialist and social democratic. Right here in the US, there is no party on the left, at least on economic issues and in regards to institutional power. In the UK, the Labour Party has only recently began a process of moving back to the left and towards popular policies. That is the key for the left in the coming years. There is a large gap between popular opinion and actual government policies, and the public agrees with the left. How do we bridge the gap? Certainly not by working within institutions, relying on politicians and using ideas that got us here. If you ask me, the problem is far worse here in the US since the Democrats are wiped out, even further to the right than Labour in the UK, we have nothing like the NHS, the Democrats are thoroughly corrupt and are not open to change even though their party has been utterly wiped out. Personally, I don’t see any hope with the Democrats but they and the Republicans have gotten together, like one party states do, to make challenges from other parties very difficult. So, maybe the solution is to not build a national party right now but to focus on local and congressional races, and to run third parties on the left in parts of the country where the ideas of the left are popular but neither party is interested in running candidates that support those ideas. What do we have to lose at this point?
Any rate, the left in the UK has a real chance in the next year or so and they are not part of the EMU, which gives them the power to do things that governments in the EMU can’t. No matter what happens, the road ahead will be difficult, progressive change always is. If Labour sticks to its vision and is honest about challenges it will face, it could really do some great things.
These are strong votes against Conservatism and Austerity – this makes clear that the British public
support liberal ideals, just as Americans do.
What I’m amazed at is that Corbyn is still alive and has worked his way through this far!