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It seems strange to blame that on the ACA. There are ton of health decisions that get made way outside the ACA, including preventative health decisions from your primary care doctor, to specialty care referrals. Moreover, M4All doesn’t guarantee treatment for everything, that you’d be happy with treatment you receive, or that you’d be happy with your doctor.

I also think it’s fair to note, that in many states, the ACA in place is different than what was there previously under the Obama administration. The Trump administration has taken ugly steps to thwart public healthcare, whether that be by allowing states to take a knife to Medicaid or undermining the exchanges. These actions have had concrete and real effects across the country (see ~https://read.dukeupress.edu/jhppl/article-abstract/44/5/715/139047/The-Trump-Effect-Postinauguration-Changes-in?redirectedFrom=fulltext). Needless-to-say, there’s nothing that exempts M4All from the similar sabotage.

What did I say that was wrong? Do you see any inaccuracies? Keep in mind that the comitment we made was actually to not regulate any more FS’s after 1998.

Want to read it? its here. ~https://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/54-ufins_e.htm

Also, we cant expand the ACA, or Medicare (See Annex on Financial Services where it lists a number of other portions of the GATS by number for christs sakes, read them and read the literaure on them, otherwise youre showing how stupid we are, no bernie wasnt telling us the truth, he was covering up the horrible situation for some reason that cant be a good one)

We cant fix this while pretending it never happened my friend.

We cant fix it period unless unless we want to throw away our whole strategy for world domination AND the main way we get higher drug prices, AND Medicare itself (thats required if we enlarge it to be longer than social security) And also to toss away these things would gut their scheme to get cheaper workers forever.

They would never do that, frankly, unless people actually ASK FOR IT.

Would the world’s oligarchs have gone to all this work if they didnt intend to make use of it to get rid of all the entitlements and the middle class and the burden of its high wages? You must be joking.

By the way, Kool Aid is not good for you. It rots peoples brains.

Please, lets start living on planet Earth, not in la la land or wherever it is that all this fake news comes from.

Please, lets have an intelligent adult discussion about real things for a change, not this junk.

You have been brainwashed. We were brainwshed. Its time we snap out of the trance of disinformation. Please.

Our lives literally depend on it.

As someone with a preexisting condition (diabetes), I’d be interested in seeing that rule. If you are getting care via employer provided insurance, my suspicion is coverage has more to do with whatever policy and considerations your employer negotiated. There may be some confusion with the annual physical provision and actual preventative care for ongoing conditions, which is different. By law, your insurer has to tell you what is included in the physical (free) versus what is included as preventative under their plan.

@dara

Am I incorrect in that employer plans are one universe determined by the plan and its tier levels and Obamacare is for the people who are excluded from getting any kind of health insurance otherwise for some reason, maybe self employed (Senators and Cngressmen’s golfing buddies, who had before 2010 been priced out of the private insurance market because of pre-existing conditions - or forced to participate in a high risk pool funded by the comercial insurance firms and self insured companies, perhaps - I dnt know how ut works)

even though they are well to do, struggling to afford decent NONGROUP health insurance which can easily cost five thousand dollars a month or more, the staus quo pre-Obamacare. And they can still get dumped by insurer if they get sick and made a mistake on a form and they caught it.

or underemployed or something like that, maybe they are employed but employer is small and does not offer insurance and is exempt. In any case, I thing GATS rules are pretty clear that any government measure, if a country had made commitments, is very very restricted to the minimum, “de miniumus” etc.

must be not more burdensome than necessary - so it must be limited, and also I suspect that we only are allowed to have Obamacare because of the 2010 financial crisis. (An emergency measure) I think we are supposed to go back to the 1998 level of regulaton.

To just dump that Understanding and allow such a huge increase in regulation would be a huge defeat for the US and the world would consider it as meaning our iron grip on FS regulation was in danger. This is why WE will soon be pushing the TISA, back out again an trying to get it adopted, because it expands the GATS, clearly pushing hard for more deregulation. This messaging that our way is the ONLY way is much more important than human lives to TPTB.

Didnt Capitalism win over socialism? Yes or no? yes of course, even if we had to trade away all our jobs to get it that way.

I am not sure exactly what you mean, but you are not incorrect that “wellness” visits are not free depending on the coverage conditions of your insurance plan. The plan may cover a physical, birth-control, blood pressure check, and basic vaccinations as preventative (free), but not other conditions or treatments for ongoing conditions themselves. Also, I should add there are some less-than honest doctors out there that will be happy to bill you for treatments that you may have thought were part of your “wellness” visit, but weren’t.

I don’t know the official word they used - it wasn’t preexisting but I got the gist - I wasn’t supposed to bring up anything new that could be handled in a separate appointment and thus billed for.

Seeing @zed’s post reminds me that my case of complaining is perhaps unrelated to ACA but I swear they never gave me that speil before ACA so I assumed it was because they had to make checkups free. I have blue cross through my employer.

I’m sorry about your diabetes - my boss has had type 1 since he was 20 as have a few friends. I’d like to see more research on cures and better mitigation. The pumps with closed cycle monitoring are an improvement for those that get them covered anyway. It is frustrating for those with type 1 as there seems to be more concentration on type 2 as more have it and so more money to be made (and I’m sure type 1 is a harder problem- but if they are really trying just as hard, someone is doing bad PR.

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Do you actually mean “sickness”, like when you go to the doctor to have some medical issue looked at?

Lets just speak English, not DNCSpeak.

You would be surprised I am sure because they hate the idea of anything they cant make a killing on helping peoples health but resveratrol, which may also prevent Covid 19, also is very good for pre-diabeties and diabetes, metabolic syndrome, etc.

And the chance is very high it also inhibits the novel-betacoronavirus.

Ask Jennifer Zhang, sophmore student at UCB, who won a Science Fair for her coronavirus cure in 2014. She was a student from Little Rock High School. Maybe she will get some attention from the scientific community soon?

She was the first to propose it.

Don’t be sorry, technology has vastly improved dealing with the condition. The fact that we are having this conversation is a problem in itself. While I think lots of people get over-exuberant about M4All—there is zero doubt in my mind the Trump administration would wreak havoc with a centralized system—it’d be great to get to a world where we wouldn’t have to discuss this stuff anymore. It’s just a downer all the way around.

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The “wellness” visits are free under the ACA, but what’s included in those visits can vary.

What if they find something that needs looking at, and the patient cant afford to do so at that time, just stop going to the doctor until they can?

The point I am trying to make is that this is a setup.

For example, outstanding medical debt, even if somebody is all paid up on premiums, prevents literally people from being able to go to the doctor for years.

Its a fact that we’re supposed to stay at the 1998 level of regulation. Back then, people literally had to keep paying but nt use once they were in their 40s or so and got some pre-existing condition, many people had to keep paying because they literally would never get insurance again if they interrupted coverage. Thats going to come back, soon. All those medical conditions people disclosed in these past ten years wll come back to haunt people because they wont be able to get insurance if it lapses, even briefly.

Sort of like the situation with the DACA folks. Pricing will be based on health or genetic or location - where you go, where you live, where you work, your level of physical activity, etc.

If you get health insurance you dont deserve for any reason based on what you tell them, say, its a lie because you know you wouldnt be able to afford it otherwise, and its wrong, or maybe you dodnt report some ebay income or anything ike that at all, you could be looking not only at having all the money your doctors were paid clawed back and rebilled to you at the uninsured/self pay rate. Going back to the beginning of the policy, not the date they discovered it. Which could be hundreds of thousands of dollars.

They will probably just debit it from your account as everything will be cashless. You could be driving down a toll road and suddenly your car just pulls over to the side of the road and all your control panels flash red.

You might be guilty of a felony.

You just put thoughts of fake “M4A” out of your mind (the word you should always use is single payer and you have to realize it must be free and noncommercial and have no competition in the whole country, and there is nothing else that could work without being torn to shreds, This country cant admit thats the way it is because we committed mass murder which we would be admitting if we amitted the WTO was was rigged but it is, as it makes the things that fix things impossible and forbidden…)

So all their arguments are lies… not a single one is truth, every single way we might make things better is locked down - hard.

because the truth is if they “expand Medicare”, to more people than just the retired its there in black and white that kills it.

Every gift is a trap. A Trojan Horse. They do not know any other language.

Every thing is a trick.
that makes it so poor people wont be able to afford it any more because it will be a commercial product.

They lie, we die.

the point I am trying to make is the state religion here in the US is MONEY - everything is for profit.

Thats not going to ever change unless people realize they are on the table and the electric knife is being revvedup to take the first slice out of YOU.

They put a lot of energy into brainwashing us but the truth is we officially agreed to privatize everything in the mid 1990s and that what they have done their best to carve in stone. Virtually every rosy proposal we’ve been told is oblvious to me meant to lull us into a false sense of security while behind outr backs all those things are being taken away and made permanetly impossible. You can verify that easily by reading the voluminou material thats in the literature on the key issues. YOU WONT EVER FIND IT HERE - because we’re behing an information blockade like the one in North Korea but done much more skillfully.

How do I put this they see themselves as tremendously outnumbered and us as “majoritarians” and democracy as their sworn enemy, after all they own everything. We’re just the temporary help, who do we think we are, and they are right, thats the way its increasingly being set up, with money controlling everything. People wont have jobs so they wont have money sothey wont have any right to do anything or even be anywhere. Face it, we wre duped.

What about restorative justice? They made a huge deal to provide it to other rich people, and take all justice away from Americans, nd immigrants the people who live here now, why? because of colonialism of course… Thank you for your service… now its your job to train your replacements. Really.
This was set up 20 years ago, we never got the memo? Everybody else did.

~http://policyspace.xyz/images/wto_whowantstoworkcheapest.jpg/image_view_fullscreen

To the rich “this is a fuckling war” and they are lying lying lying to us like crazy, both parties are in cahoots to bullshit us out of our future, completely. Face it, I am not lying to you, they all are.

This is the truth, but its more than one and a half decades later and its much worse than this now. Dont forget all deregulations lock in - ratchet in and cant be reversed. You think I BSing you, think a bit more deeply and you’ll realize I’m right. they are a cult. Not norml people and this is not a normal situation, its a life threatening one for all normal non-twisted members of the human race.

~https://www.citizen.org/documents/PC_Gats_Backgrounder_05-05.pdf

@dara

By law, insurers can no longer discriminate based on preexisting conditions. Many people—though hardly all—also qualify for subsidized insurance coverage under the ACA.

Understanding on Commitments in FInancial Services
(STANDSTILL/ROLLBACK EFFECTIVE DATE IS FEB 26, 1998 See ~http://www1.oecd.org/daf/mai/pdf/dg2/dg2953e.pdf for definition )

"Participants in the Uruguay Round have been enabled to take on specific commitments with respect to financial services under the General Agreement on Trade in Services (hereinafter referred to as the “Agreement”) on the basis of an alternative approach to that covered by the provisions of Part III of the Agreement. It was agreed that this approach could be applied subject to the following understanding:

(i) it does not conflict with the provisions of the Agreement;

(ii) it does not prejudice the right of any Member to schedule its specific commitments in accordance with the approach under Part III of the Agreement;

(iii) resulting specific commitments shall apply on a most-favoured-nation basis;

(iv) no presumption has been created as to the degree of liberalization to which a Member is committing itself under the Agreement.

Interested Members, on the basis of negotiations, and subject to conditions and qualifications where specified, have inscribed in their schedule specific commitments conforming to the approach set out below.

A. Standstill

Any conditions, limitations and qualifications to the commitments noted below shall be limited to existing non-conforming measures.

B. Market Access

Monopoly Rights

  1. **In addition to Article VIII of the Agreement, the following shall apply: **

Each Member shall list in its schedule pertaining to financial services existing monopoly rights and shall endeavour to eliminate them or reduce their scope. Notwithstanding subparagraph 1(b) of the Annex on Financial Services, this paragraph applies to the activities referred to in subparagraph 1(b)(iii) of the Annex.
… Much more additional text…

Here is the Annex referred to in the Understanding above, read it, it is super important.; This shows why “expanding Medicare” destroys it. People have to understand this is huge amount of money involved here that the wealthy want to “get out from under” as they put it. They dont want the responsibility. They would rather foist it off on somebody else. And they fully intend to, you can bet on it.

Annex on Financial Services

  1. Scope and Definition

(a ) This Annex applies to measures affecting the supply of financial services. Reference to the supply of a financial service in this Annex shall mean the supply of a service as defined in paragraph 2 of Article I of the Agreement.

(b ) For the purposes of subparagraph 3(b) of Article I of the Agreement, “services supplied in the exercise of governmental authority” means the following:

(i) activities conducted by a central bank or monetary authority or by any other public entity in pursuit of monetary or exchange rate policies;

(ii) activities forming part of a statutory system of social security or public retirement plans; and

(iii) other activities conducted by a public entity for the account or with the guarantee or using the financial resources of the Government.

(c ) For the purposes of subparagraph 3(b) of Article I of the Agreement, if a Member allows any of the activities referred to in subparagraphs (b) (ii) or (b) (iii) of this paragraph to be conducted by its financial service suppliers in competition with a public entity or a financial service supplier, “services” shall include such activities.

(d) Subparagraph 3(c ) of Article I of the Agreement shall not apply to services covered by this Annex.


@dara

Just one more disaster based on not believing science is worthwhile.

Of course you mean Medicaidcare™ the new premium product line for those people of means.

Or do you mean Super improved Prevent-Care™?

Seemingly, we have a absolutely “toothless” government –

unless it’s acting against the people and peaceful protesters –

We need to change the FACES of government by changing the faces in Congress –

Didn’t see any mention in the article – and may have missed it – of 40% of Americans
without symptoms who can spread the virus –

Coronavirus: Warning about people without symptoms (~https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-spread-among-people-without-symptoms/63-b9cc2ea0-fa3c-4877-8f5a-30ee1b6c46b2)

Jun 29, 2020 · The CDC reports about 35% of infected people are asymptomatic , and the World Health Organization has determined about 40% of transmission may be from people who don’t show signs of the virus.

and –

40% of people 4infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic, a new …
(~https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/40-of-people-infected-with-covid-19-are-asymptomatic-a-new-cdc-estimate-says/ar-BB16EgaX)

The “current best estimate” from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that approximately 40% of people infected with COVID-19 are asymptomatic . CNN reported that the estimate was up…

Obviously, the only way to ensure the stopping of this virus is to quarantine those who are
carriers. Different testing seems to becoming available – based on saliva and faster results.