Fighting back against the notion, put forth by American academics, that isolated tribes must be forced into contact with the modern world, Amazonian Indians are warning of another potential Indigenous "genocide" if such ideas come to pass.
Good! Keep the capitalist missionaries out.
this is not a consensus, in fact it it is likely most do not favor contact.
Why am I not surprised that these two anthropologists are from the US? This is nothing more than the extension of the paternalistic/colonialist attitude that brought so much devastation to the indigenes and black people on Turtle Island. And notice the couching of their "savior" complex in concern for the natives, reminds me of the policy of "destroy the Indian to save the man", the forcible removal of their children to be indoctrinated in white schools, the Homestead Act and the 1887 Dawes Severalty Act http://ushistoryscene.com/article/1862-homestead-act/; reminds me of the paternalistic use of "christianity" to save the "souls" of black folks--while enslaving their bodies- the white oppressors considered subhuman. This attitude of the right to interference we also see being played out by the endless wars of American Empire.If they mean to help theses Awa people they should focus on helping to keep themselves and others from contacting them.
This is when anthropologists must decide if the uncontacted have the same rights as human beings as anyone else. If these people are true equals then the academics must respect what is in effect an unwritten NO TRESPASSING sign.
It isn't like that the anthropologists don't know about what happens after contact. The diseases, the corruption, the miners and oil men that follow.
It is weird when people Insist on going where they are unwanted. Some people simply need to take a hint that others don't want them around.
It is weird when people Insist on going where they are unwanted. Some people simply need to take a hint that others don't want them around.
That is just so true, Wereflea.
I think a good example of this as well, is NSA mass surveillance. While it is true, most US citizens have largely become desensitized to what actually amounts to an intrusion past that "no trespassing sign", I think most people, if they really understood just how insidious such a trespass actually is, then they might re-consider.
Sadly, the US citizenry's chance to stand up, if you will, the Constitutional "trespass sign" – now underfoot by the NSA in this instance – is rapidly diminishing. A point that you made in an earlier post today in fact.
Whew!!! Got sidetracked.
Sometimes I think these anthropologists, who "discover" these remote indigenous populations, think that they would be the better first contact, than the miner, oil men, etc. Sometimes their contact is intended to help.
But your argument is just as true Wereflea.
Yes, the "white mans burden" revisited........an arrogance of "knowing better"......after-all they are just savages....
I highly recommend to all "The Cosmic Serpent" - DNA and the Origins of Knowledge, by Jeremy Narby, who lived and explored the Amazon rain forest for 10 years. His thesis is brilliant and exciting.
Well maybe Ms.Hill and Mr. Walker ought to catch a plane down there as quickly as possible and allow the guardians to introduce them to jungle justice at the point of a few well aimed arrows - maybe they'll get the point.
I've been increasingly outraged by the injustices heaped upon the innocent people of the world, and the USA, and in my mind it begins with the establishment of civilization and follows me across these ten thousand years like a relentless funnel cloud, sucking up its victims, spitting their remains out the other end into pyramids of broken bones.
I could have lived with that history expecting a better life for all with the development, or further evolution, of the human character, but with the world in such peril, and, as we find out that those in power who could have acted chose not to, I cannot shoulder this burden quite as casually.
All the outrage turns to pure sadness when I read about people who just want to be left alone in nature, but can't escape the funnel cloud of capitalism. This brings me to a greater level of distress. I'm getting closer by the day to pulling the plug on this machine and sealing up my bubble against the encroaching shitstorm.
These few "uncontacted" groups may be the ones who will sustain the human race once the rest of us have destroyed the planet and each other. The surviving "civilized humans" probably won't know how to take care of themselves without advanced technology.
Must be some Oil or Timber or something that Wall Street wants.
The old Anthropologist trick?
Obama's Mama was an Anthropologist. Stanley Dunham, who we now know worked for See-Eye-Aye front companies like USaid and the Ford Foundation, was pretending sometimes to study tribes and other times to give them "Micro-Financing." All suspected Leftists and Union Trade Leaders wound up on the See-Eye-Aye "Shooting List" during the million plus Indonesian Massacre that she helped produce and her husband Col. Lolo Soetoro (Obama's notorious step-father) committed. Now you know why double-agent Barry Soetoro (Obama) is so twisted, and gets off every morning producing the "Morning Kill List" his aids have talked about. Nothing like killing off some innocent goat herders on a hillside somewhere to start your day.
Right behind the fake Anthros and the Fake Missionaries demanding everyone wear trackable modern clothing, are the Chamber of Commerce supporting the mining and timber and oil extraction industries. To be followed eventually by 7-11 Diabetes convience stores and McDucks Poison burgers!
Ain't Robert Reich's "Super Capitalism" grand? (Clinton's Sec of Labor who supported the NAFTA betrayal and the globalization nightmare we are all in the middle of; and who advocates we make the same mistake again and vote for Hilary.)
But oh, just to be left alone in your tropical garden with daily automatic watering! It's the garden of Eden.
Excelllent video and things like the Dawes act are still tried to this day here in Canada. Harper tried it in his term.
Interesting interpretation: Dunham was, in a manner of speaking, helping put together the kill list executed by Soetoro. That may well be what was going on.
It ain't just white men.............The Chinese just love grabbing other peoples' resources for a few superhighways, hydropower stations and the occasional bribery of a politician or two; Malaysian loggers; Korean loggers; Japanese loggers. Been there seen that.
As for anthropologists. They would be better off studying their own cultures, which are remarkably similar in the basics to any other culture.
The locals in various parts of the world are the best equipped to survive the forthcopming collapse of our civilisation. Leave them alone!
What, exactly, do academic anthropologists have to offer us?
That was the analysis by the ex-NSA analyst at Wayne Madsen Reports. I believe Madsen entitled his investigative piece: Mommie Dearest, or something like that. It's now pay-per-view and Madsen had to leave the country for it, and other bold reporting. I'll see if I can't locate an excerpt for you.
And the big message is that, wiping out dissenting political views is not healthy for any species. Free Speech is essential to our survival as intellectual rulers of our own fate.
Sorry, had to throw in a lecture for the peanut gallery.
By Wayne Madsen: Obama’s CIA “Mommy Dearest” — identifying Indonesians for assassination
Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, worked in Indonesia for a U.S.
Agency for International Development (USAID) embassy cover operation
that helped identify some 5000 key members of the Indonesian Communist
Party — Partai Komunis Indonesia(PKI) that were targeted for
assassination by Indonesian armed forces units, of which her husband and
President Obama’s step-father, Lolo Soetoro, was a participant. The
5000 targets’ names appeared in what was called by the CIA “the shooting
Furthermore, the contacts of the key 5000 PKI members was also used
by the CIA, in part using USAID official cover agents like Ann Dunham,
to identify Indonesian sympathizers with the government of President
Sukarno, ousted in 1965 in a CIA-orchestrated coup, in which Lolo
Soetoro took part, and the PKI, with the net total of Indonesians killed
ranging from 250,000 to 1 million.
The CIA’s role in the Indonesian genocide is found in a 1990 article
written by Ralph McGehee, a CIA veteran of the agency’s International
Communism Branch of the Counterintelligence Staff. The article appeared
in the Fall 1990 issue of the Covert Action Information Bulletin.
Lolo Soetoro was a colonel in the Indonesian armed forces and worked
for the CIA-installed dictator, General Suharto, from 1965, after
returning to Indonesia from Hawaii, where he married Ann Dunham, to
1970, when he joined Exxon. President Obama’s mother arrived in
Indonesia to join Soetoro with young Barack Obama, Jr. in October
1967,while the CIA’s anti-PKI and anti-Sukarno “mopping up” operations
were still taking place.
Dunham Soetoro began working for CIA/USAID front, Lembaga
Persahabatan Indonesia Amerika (LIA)–the Indonesia-America Friendship
Institute. In 1972, Dunham Soetoro returned to Hawaii to continue her
CIA work in Indonesia under the non-official cover of two agency fronts,
the Asia Foundation and the East-West Center at the University of
Hawaii. Dunham Soetoro returned to Indonesia in 1975 to conduct
“anthropological field work.” The year 1975 is key since it was the year
East Timor gained independence from Portugal and when the CIA, working
with Suharto, planned the Indonesian invasion and bloody occupation of
East Timor, a move that had been given the green light by then-Secretary
of State Henry Kissinger. Kissinger now serves as a foreign policy
adviser to President Obama.
On December 7, 2010, WMR reported on the details of Dunham Soetoro’s
“anthropological field work”:CIA files contain a 1967 letter to the
editor of the Daily Emerald from three anthropology professors at the
University of Oregon supporting a decision of the American
Anthropological Association (AAA) condemning the “intelligence meddling”
of the CIA and Defense Department in anthropological field work. 1967
was the same year that Ann Dunham was performing such anthropological
“field work” for USAID, a front for the CIA, in Java, Indonesia. The
AAA’s Professor Ralph Beals [from UCLA] report stated that the Pentagon
and CIA “repeatedly interfered with anthropological work abroad, and
have clearly jeopardized our chances, as anthropologists, to do
meaningful foreign research.”
And in what is the clearest evidence yet that Ann Dunham was working
for the CIA in Indonesia and elsewhere, the Beals Report stated:
“several anthropologists, especially younger ones who had difficulty in
securing research funds, were approached by ‘obscure’ foundations or
were offered support from such organizations only to discover later that
they were expected to provide intelligence information to the CIA.” The
report added, “agents of the CIA have posed as anthropologists, much to
the detriment of the anthropological research programs.”
In Ann Dunham/Soetoro’s case, her foundation “sugar daddy” was the
Ford Foundation and USAID. Her boss at Ford was none other than Peter
Geithner, the father of President Obama’s current Treasury Secretary,
The Ford Foundation, on behalf of the CIA, began currying favor with
top Indonesian military officers as early as 1954. Ford’s chief liaison
to the officers, as well as to members of the Indonesian Socialist
Party, was Ford researcher Guy Parker. The CIA’s involvement with
village politics in Indonesia began when the Ford Foundation started the
Modern Indonesia Project, a CIA cover program during the Sukarno regime
that was run out of Cornell University, University of California at
Berkeley, and MIT, an academic cover operation into which Dunham Soetoro
was later placed. Ford Foundation-funded scholarships were used to
provide education to a number of Indonesian military officers and
economists who would become leaders in Suharto’s government.
After Suharto’s “New Order” government came to power, key Indonesian
assets of the CIA were placed into top positions in Indonesia’s mining,
oil, and timber industries. One was Lolo Soetoro who went to work for
Dunham Soetoro’s USAID/CIA cover in Indonesia’s Java continued from
1975 to the end of 1980 continued through the auspices of various
employers, including BAPPENAS (Badan Perencanaan Pembangunan Nasional) —
the Indonesian National Development Planning Agency, the UN’s
International Labor Organization, the Ministry of Industry Provincial
Development Program (PDP I), and most significantly, the notorious
USAID/CIA cover company, Development Alternatives, Inc. (DAI) of
The Obama administration is currently demanding that Cuba release
Alan P. Gross, a DAI employee charged with espionage under the cover of
providing telecommunication support for the Cuban Jewish community.
Leaders of Cuba’s Jewish community have stated they are not familiar
with Gross. DAI has also been involved in funneling National Endowment
for Democracy (NED) funds on behalf of the CIA to the Venezuelan
opposition to President Hugo Chavez and covert funding for Iraqi groups
during the U.S. Coalition Provisional Authority regime of U.S. viceroy
for Iraq Paul “Jerry” Bremer, a Henry Kissinger understudy.
Like Business International Corporation (BIC), the company that
employed Barack Obama after his graduation from Columbia University in
1983, DAI, which employed Obama’s mother from 1978 to 1980, has been a
long-time CIA front. Dunham Soetoro worked for DAI during the time
period that Barack Obama was attending a favorite CIA recruitment
college, Occidental College of Los Angeles. While Barack Obama was at
Columbia and CIA front BIC, his mother was under non-official CIA cover
from 1981 to 1984 in Jakarta as the program officer for women and
employment for the Ford Foundation’s Southeast Asia regional office, a
job that took Dunham Soetoro to other nations in the region, including
the Philippines, Thailand, and Malaysia. Dunham Soetoro’s cover story
was a Ford Foundation micro-financing project.
Fluent Russian speaker, Robert J. Martens was a member of the
political section [CIA station] of the U.S. embassy in Jakarta from 1963
and in the years leading up to the Suharto coup. Masters was number
three in the embassy’s chain-of-command. In the years during which the
Indonesian communists and their sympathizer were tracked down and
murdered, Martens would have been within Dunham Soetoro’s USAID CIA
cover chain-of-command after she arrived in Jakarta in 1967 for the
CIA’s mopping up operations in the Indonesian rural villages. Martens,
who previously served in Naples, Vienna, Salzburg, Oberammergau, and
Moscow, before being posted to Jakarta, was considered one of the CIA’s
top operatives in Jakarta and he helped craft the CIA’s “shooting list.”
Others in Dunham Soetoro’s CIA chain in Jakarta were CIA station chief
Bernardo Hugh Tovar, CIA deputy station chief Joseph Lazarsky and
Jakarta embassy political section chief Edward Masters. Tovar, a native
of Colombia, had been assigned previously to the CIA stations in Kuala
Lumpur and Manila.
Masters, who was fluent in Hindi, had been posted in Frankfurt,
Karachi, and Madras before being assigned to Jakarta to help plan the
CIA coup against Sukarno. Dunham Soetoro was assigned to Java villages
to conduct “anthropological” research since the CIA had identified
Indonesian village cadres, including members of the Gerwani women’s
organization and SOBSI labor federation, as primary supporters of the
PKI and Sukarno.
With his CIA connections, Lolo Soetoro’s dual chain-of-command, in
addition to his reporting to Suharto and his top men, would have also
included the U.S. embassy’s defense attache, U.S. Army Colonel Willis G.
Ethel. Colonel Ethel worked closely with Indonesian intelligence chief
The CIA officials in Indonesia reported to William Colby, the
director of the CIA’s Far East Division. Colby was the brains behind
another CIA assassination program, the Phoenix Program in South Vietnam.
From 1989 to 1990, reporter Kathy Kadane conducted a series of
interviews with former CIA personnel who were involved in the 1965 coup
and the subsequent mass killings of Communists. Martens revealed the
role of the CIA “shooting list” for Suharto’s army, in which Lolo
Soetoro served, in the systematic assassination of PKI members: “It was
really a big help to the army . . . they probably killed a lot of
people. and I probably have a lot of blood on my hands, but that’s not
all bad. There’s a time when you have to strike hard at a decisive
moment.” Asked whether the CIA sent Martens to Indonesia in 1963 to
compile kill lists, Colby responded, “Maybe. I don’t know. Maybe we did.
In order to communicate the names of suspected Communists from
outlying villages like those where Dunham Soetoro worked, the CIA
provided Indonesian military officers and CIA agents with Collins KWM-2
radios, requisitioned from U.S. Air Force stocks at Clark Air Force Base
in the Philippines and flown to Jakarta on U.S. Air Force C-130
transport planes. National Security Agency intercept stations in
Southeast Asia also picked up the radio transmissions from the
Indonesian army field officers and CIA overseers like Dunham Soetoro to
ensure that all suspected PKI members were identified for elimination by
matching the “field” human intelligence with other NSA information
compiled from intercepts of Indonesian commercial and government
communications, i.e., signals intelligence or “SIGINT.”
Others at the embassy who directed CIA operations against the PKI
included U.S. ambassador Marshall Green and deputy chief of mission Jack
Lydman. Green dropped dead from a heart attack on a Washington, DC golf
course in 1998. He worked for Nixon national security adviser Kissinger
after leaving Indonesia in 1969. Lydman later was involved in the State
Department’s review of Indonesian military operations in West New
Guinea in 1969, after the Indonesian annexation of the former Dutch
territory. Colonel Lolo Soetoro was involved in the bloody Indonesian
army crackdown on West Papuan secessionists in the territory.
On March 11, 1966, while Lolo Soetoro continued to assist Suharto in
the identification and rounding up of PKI members for execution, the
U.S. embassy in Jakarta sent a airgram A-654 to Washington. The airgram
was drafted by Martens and signed by Masters. The airgram stated it was
necessary to compile a new list of PKI members because information on
PKI officials “remains extremely fragmentary but sufficient additional
information has been received to make a new compilation advisable.” The
airgram contained a list of 80 PKI leaders and their status.
The Indonesian army’s and CIA’s kill list would not end with the
elimination of PKI members and their sympathizers. Kill lists would play
out in West Papua, East Timor, and Aceh province during the time of
Obama’s “Mommy Dearest’s” bloody work in Indonesia on behalf of her
bosses at the CIA, USAID, and Ford Foundation.
The problem for Barack Obama is not shouldering blame for sins of his
mother and step-father but the fact that he has lied completely about
their history. In his book, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama writes about
his mother’s first trip to Indonesia in 1967: “In later years my mother
would insist that had she known what had transpired in the preceding
months, we never would have made the trip. But she didn’t know — the
full story of the coup and the purge was slow to appear in American
newspapers. Indonesians didn’t talk about it either.” If they were truly
Ann Dunham Soetoro’s words, we can be certain of one thing: she trained
her son to lie just as well as she did.
Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist,
author and syndicated columnist. He has written for several renowned
papers and blogs. Madsen is a regular contributor on Russia Today. He
has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox
News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera,
and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity on their
television shows. He has been invited to testifty as a witness before
the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda,
and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government. As a U.S.
Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs
for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security
Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA
Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. Madsen is a member of
the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ), Association for
Intelligence Officers …
It's not only the U.S that tries to control everyone and everything. I'm from the U.S. and I feel that these tribes need to be left alone. I also think that should go for anyone. It's a no brainer. People now days are so worried about offending everyone else that no one is really speaking up and saying what needs to be said. Everyone also has the right to be entitled to their own opinions, but most people think that if someone doesn't think the same as them than that person don't need to be heard. It's not an American thing, it's a world thing. This is why the world is so messed up. I'm not a fan of politics, I think they are all corrupt. I'm not a fan of Obama, but he's not the only problem. There's worst leaders then him. Those anthropologist like most people don't like being told "no". Well that's my 2 cents and I'll get off my soap box.
It does appear that while Soetoro returned to Indonesia in '65, just as the slaughters were starting, Dunham left HI in 1967, after she finished her undergrad, and after the peak of the killing in '65-66. She stayed until '72 when she went back to HI to start graduate work. It was '75, after finishing her MA, that she went to Indonesia to do field work and stayed, working in "development", until 1993. (They got divorced in 1980.) Her first 5-year stint appears to have been taken up with teaching first English and then at an institute of "Management Education", both in Jakarta.
From her arrival in Indonesia in '67, it appears she was in the maw of the CIA, though I can't be clear how much of this early period was witting. Her anthropological work came later, and she may well have been an informant during that period, but it was after things were well "pacified". After that she was working in Jakarta in various jobs having to do with so-called "development", and that stuff was clearly just thick with spooks - USAID, Ford Foundation, microcredit and the like.
So she looks cooperative, perhaps even a true believer, but it doesn't look like she was taking direct part in early consolidation of the regime. (Other than caressing the brow of one of the slaughterers, that is.)
By the way, did you ever see this film, The Act of Killing? It's a "don't miss".
Except that she was married to the butcher and she apologized for putting little Barry Soetoro (aka Barack Obama) in such close proximity to the massacres, according to Obama's own words in his book. Unfortunately, I can't find that part anywhere on the web any more. Very strange.
Here's some very interesting eyewash that has other details in it: