AOC should have used her paltry 60 seconds to renounce the corrupt Democratic Party; and announce that she will begin working to establish a truly Progressive 3rd party.
Would have loved to hear her rationalization for being an unapologetic corporate war party loyalist, although given the likely amount of mental gymnastics involved it could probably not be summed up in 90 secounds.
Never going to happen, the whole 3rd party meme.
1st there are not enough progressives to win any election except for maybe an isolated here and there election.
2nd Even progressives are not on the same page. We have too many issues to cover so we can’t really fight for one issue.
3rd As long as progressives are unwillingly to compromise, they won’t get anything they desire. You can demand purity, but you will never win.
My liberalism goes to the far left of many, but I know that w/o compromise, nothing I want will ever happen. If you won’t compromise, then you will always be pissing into the wind.
Quite frankly we have done better then what I have expected. Back in the 50s’ I would have never thought that we would have won some battles, considering what we faced. A black president, same sex marriage, white people supporting BLM (which hasn’t happened since the 60s’.).
Really how do you expect to win when you are such a minority? Think you can pout long enough and people will accept your demands?
It took over 40 yrs for the workers back in the 1890s’ to win any of the battles they fought for. Long bloody battles of strikes and marching to win any rights for workers.
And the rich have managed to defeat them in the end, since reagan. And they will continue to as long as the ave american isn’t going to fight back. And I see no such movement. They aren’t standing up. Instead they go along with the divide and conquer tactics and refuse to accept that they share anything in common with the minorities.
Back in the late 1890s’, white people refused to accept the blacks and communists to join their movement. But eventually they did and that is when they started to win. They had to compromise with people they disliked.
Want to win? Then you must compromise. Don’t and you will always lose. AOC recognizes that. Purity means you lose, always.
This morning AP blithely reports Hillary Clinton returns to DNC to cement legacy as champion of women. Yes ineedee … read that a couple of times for multiple ‘entendres’. The hillarbilly bus ran the possibility of Single payer health coverage (remember ‘single payer’?) over the cliff and whoopdedoo Clinton Foundation was born for Haiti. Yuppers DNC taking cues from Citizens United ( thank you hillary) and the drumph, that legacy now reads as concrete booties like the mafia legacy for swimming with the fishes.
Wasn’t that around the time that Noam Chomsky warned of the “schizophrenic” bent taken by the US ?
The DNC strategy seems to be to force a schizo straddle so stark as to split one up the middle.
Progressives have compromised their values in every election in US history. In truth, it is progressives who are the only voting block that ever “compromises.” Think about it. Does the Christian Right compromise? Do the corporate democrats compromise? Did the Tea Party compromise?
In realty, the time has come for progressives to not get off their asses, but to stay on them, away from the polls. Tell the Democratic Party that we have an electoral bomb strapped to our chest, and we are willing to set it off by NOT VOTING UNITIL WE GET WHAT WE WANT. That how the Koch’s and the Tea Party did it. That’s how the Christian Right did it.
We need to tell Joe Biden, the DNC, and every other democrat, that unless we get their promises, in writing, that single payer and green new deal are passed and implemented in the first quarter of next year, we withhold any and all current and future support for the Democratic Party. Period.
Yes, I am willing to die on that hill, to give a Donald Trump four more years. Because let’s face it, where will we, the nation, and the planet, be after four more years of corporate democratic rule?
As a progressive, I would like to apologize to the rest of the nation. Like many of you, I have voted for the lesser of two evils. I have contributed to the utterly corrupt and untenable duopoly that has run this nation into a goddamn iceberg. However. I promise to never do it again. Starting right now, I refuse to vote for any candidate that isn’t progressive.
Maybe a local thing where you live. But =
Businesses and corporate do.
Higher education does.
School districts are striving.
As long as this republic has only two legitimate political parties, progressive voices will never be taken seriously on the national level.
She’s as good as it gets. I hope she will be the next progressive candidate for President four years from now.
Very sketchy analysis.
Progressives are about 1/3 of Democrats (Democrats are 30% of voters ) and over 1/2 of Independents (Independents are 40%). That makes 30% of voters Progressive and only 20% establishment Democrats. There are more Progressives than establishment Democrats and the demographics will continue to favor Progressives over Democrats.
Progressives simply need to leave the Democratic party and unite with their Independent brothers and sisters to form a progressive workers’ party. As long as Progressives remain Democrats, they have no future. (It is not true that the Democratic party is center-left. Robert Raymond wrote a January 2019 op-ed in Truthout showing that “The Democratic Party is Farther to the Right than Most Voters.” This wouldn’t even be arguable except for constant MSM misrepresentation of what “moderate” means.)
It is true that Progressives don’t compromise. They merely fold utterly. That’s why they’re ignored – not because of their numbers. Over 90% of Democrats (i.e., both the progressive ones and the establishment ones) favored a 10% reduction in the 2021 proposed military budget. The vast majority of Democratic representatives voted against their constituents interests and suffered no consequences. This is not an exception: it’s the rule. Progressives expect nothing from their party, get nothing from their party, and continue to support their party.
As far as “being on the same page,” it looks to me that Progressives are on the same page when it comes to the most important matters such as peace, economic justice, protection of democracy, GND, M4A, protecting and expanding Social Security and Medicaid, combating racism and sexism. How much more unity do you need?
The true cause of the lack of progressive parties is the existence of the Democratic party. That’s its primary intended purpose. It’s not meant to be a home for Progressives, it’s intended to be their prison. Together with their supposed rivals, the Democrats control the entire election process, from which candidates are eligible to appear on ballots, how debates are conducted, how votes are counted, who gets media coverage, the whole story. The major parties are (major party is?) the reason there are no progressive parties.
This flawed nation does not deserve the likes of AOC, but let us hope that she has the tenacity to stick it out and guide us to a better way. AOC, you are a beacon! Keep on shining!
Thank you, WiseOwl. You also are a beacon. Keep on shining!
The sleople are not ready for the change that will come with the amount of degrowth required to rebalance the biosphere. Four more Trump years (long, like dog years) may be an unfortunate but effective shock treatment that galvanizes a response to pull the overall head out of the ass. That first blast of fresh air may be the primer needed to ignite that burning sensation felt by those who awake inside a house in flames.
I’m not convinced that more progressives are independents, mbob. Take Medicare For All. It’s supported by 85% of DP voters and over half of independents, but not 85%. By that analysis, they are indeed in the DP but there’s some kind of disconnect between their goals and voting for people who actually support those goals. On the other hand, it may instead be a sign of election fraud since the voter polling showed similar statistical support for progressive positions while the election results went to conservative Biden (in key locations, at least).
I’m not convinced I’m right either. I haven’t seen good numbers. I’m basing my estimates for both the fractions of progressive Democrats and progressive Independents on the support Sanders got in 2016 and 2020. Independents were much more consistently pro-Sanders than were Democrats. And, if what Raymond wrote is true, something like what I assert should be true too.
Plus, I’m lumping Greens, Socialists, etc. into the Independent category here. I’m a former Democrat, now an Independent, and I expect there are many others like me. What I wrote about demographics is true. Both major parties are failing to attract younger members. I think this is why Democrats are now reaching out to fellow Republicans. It seems likely to me that the major parties will formally merge at some future date.
Still, your skepticism is merited. My assertion about the number of Progressives is arguable. I could be wrong.
“So, I’m LEAVING now. Goodbye!”… then, step down from the podium & DISAPPEARS in a poof, like Bilbo Baggins?
Shit! I’d WATCH this gut-wrenching travesty, if she’d DO it?
~https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/08/18/dems-a18.html (Bernie & Michelle, beckon you from Wall Street)
~https://jacobinmag.com/2020/08/covid-19-disaster-capitalism-economy (Shock Doctrine, it’s a COOK book!)
~https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/08/sometimes-the-chicken-kills-you-though (me talk obfuscatory BS someday)
~https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.11.20171843v2 (cheery antidote for today)
Hi Skip, I understand your sense of permanence of the Democrat/Republican Party hold on power. If it was just a matter of progressives versus the duopoly, I would agree. But, as COVID-19 makes clear, there are external factors that can have profoundly disruptive consequences. Right now, in the Black and Latinx communities where I engage in activist work, there is a strong move toward creating alternative economic and political structures. There have been massive and prolonged demonstrations of people, in the streets. Many reject Democrat/Republican neoliberal capitalism, imperialism, and war mongering. I see the grassroots organizing as the way forward. When the economic collapse comes, in will be devastating. At that point, my sense is that Dem/Repub Party hold on power will be able to be Effectively challenged .
I am beginning to believe that the nation, in the long run, will benefit from four more years of a Trump, mostly because he and his acolytes will spend those years absolutely dismantling any and all government institutions. Even our expensive and precious military will be on the chopping block, sold to the highest bidder (in truth, much of our military is already privatized)
Four years of ineffective middle of the road policy by another “moderate” democratic administration will serve no purpose other than to delay the inevitable. Then in 2024, after many independent voters grow frustrated again with yet another wishy-washy democrat, we will see someone worse than trump get elected, and all we would have accomplished by electing Biden would be holding off the American apocalypse for another 8 years.
It is basic human nature that, despite knowing better, we will not address our problems until we hit rock bottom. Here’s to Donald Trump leading us there. However, after we get to rock bottom we may just ask for another shovel and a pick ax. As Hunter Thompson used to say, we are, after all, Americans.
Now that is the best description of this democratic convention that I have seen written.
YOU ARE SOOO WRONG !!!
It is exactly your kind of “thinking”, trusting those who do not give one damn for the American working class, and while we’re at it, for DEMOCRACY itself, that has allowed those power thieves to hang on. You, and your kind, have destroyed the very notion of an organized opposition, ready to help educate Americans, willing to fight the oligarchy they pretend does not exist.
You GIVE them Power — OUR Power — over us and allow them to DICTATE their agenda hidden in the dressings of a “political party.”
There is NO WAY there could ever be a successful progressive agenda within the Democratic Party, and YOU KNOW IT, as well as WE do, You USE your “reasoning” to get hangers-on who every 2 or 4 years show up, having wasted their efforts between elections, and support the Bidens of the world.
For shame. Even if you will never admit it.