Reminds me of Paul Theroux’s comment about Argentinos that they are Italians that speak Spanish and think they’re French. Witness the rightward political tilt in France today.
In the mean time former NYC mayor Rudi Guiliani is in Latin America selling his devastating ‘law and order’ model used in that city.
Rudy Giuliani is crisscrossing the Americas, spreading the draconian policies he pioneered in New York City.
Maybe the film, “The Boys From Brazil” should be re-titled, “The Boys from Argentina…” for surely Scott Walker and Canada’s former head honcho Steven Harper have clones:
“As mayor, Macri governed the city of Buenos Aires by making quiet changes rather than initiating sudden transformations. He defunded social programs that his administration disliked, rather than shutting them down completely. In Macri’s Buenos Aires, nominal support for public schools continued, for example, but increasingly special subsidies went to private schools instead. The same was true of his approach to the city’s understaffed and under-resourced public health system.”
Another hypothetical is that “The Project for New American Century,” added to the TPP and TIPP include a chapter on how to de-fund all things public and of societal good to allow yet more profits into the coffers of that few hundred covert figures who RUN the world… as their private enterprise. There must be a blueprint for The New World Order… since it’s against probability that figures from diverse lands would follow the same exact protocols!
Nothing like a glib, blanket, stereotypical statement without an iota of context.
I suppose the French just tilted right by some angle of the moon… rather than as a result of several terrorist events staged to arrive at that outcome.
Any right wing types who manage to get working class peoples’ support no doubt lie to those people. They use frames like “tax cuts” which supply to their own ilk vast privileges while maybe giving the working poor a few crumbs.
Argentina will stick out like a sore thumb across a continent that’s largely leaning Left.
The lower cost of oil allots less dividends to those who depend on State distribution of said sums. When less $/benefits circulate, people grow angry and often make the mistake that shifting to the “other side” of the political pendulum will grant them a measure of relief.
And then, too, it’s important to remember that important Nazi figures also made new homes for themselves in Argentina and they still tend to favor governments where strongmen write–and enforce–the rules.
My understanding is the media is almost all right wing in Argentina ( shocking, right ) and that the same U.S. hedge funds backing Republican candidates here, are trying to tip things over there, as well. ( I include Queen Shillary in that bunch of hoodwinkers. There must be oil and gas to frack on The Pampas or along the coasts also, methinks. ) Junk bonds, ious and the whole bag of investor instruments used by the WB and Investment Bankster Gangsters to privatize and collateralize public works and public investments, too. Always the same usual suspects ready to use the power of London, Tokyo and Manhattan to teach the aspiring middle class how to genuflect and kiss the ring, everywhere. I hope the poor folk down there like Argentina’s version of Hamburger Helper. They’ll be eating plenty of it, soon enough. So it goes… next up, Venezuela gets the beating their poor so richly deserve,.
Its human nature. A socialist raises the poor’s living standards a bit and they all want to be capitalists.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
My understanding of Argentina the past few decades is that its politics are various shades of left and lefter; there has been no such thing as a “right of center” party.
– The Justicialists (Peronists, more than one wing) have been a labor union ‘corporatist’ party. Worth looking up the definition of ‘corporatist’: here it means given over to special interests, and all of the special interests in on it are entrenched labor unions.
– -- (BTW, not good for those poor who are not members of the entrenched labor unions…)
– The main opposition has been the Radical Civic Union, which is a member of Socialist International. During the Kirchner era the Radical Civic Union has shriveled up and may no longer exist.
– Since the fall of the military dictatorship in 1983 the Justicialists have been the “natural” ruling party of Argentina, in somewhat the same sense that the Liberal Party has been the “natural” ruling party of Canada. The Justicialists have lost a few elections since 1983, but the winners of those elections have never finished their terms in office. Those ‘pretenders’ have been thrown out of office by popular uprisings. The most recent was c.2001 when Fernando de la Rua had to flee office.
– -- If Macri wins, it will be interesting to see how long he stays in office, and how he leaves office, at the end of his term, or earlier.
This portends bad news for most Argentines. Never a time to turn to the right, but this is a particularly bad time. Have they not been paying attention to global north?
Let’s hope Macri loses.
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Argentinos that they are Italians that speak Spanish and think they’re French.
[/quote]Looks more like they think they are Greek and wish to join them in their current situation.
Macri did indeed win by a very slim margin- maybe 4 or 5%.
I’m visiting Buenos Aires at the moment and have been impressed by the ability of people, even of humble origin, to discuss complex political ideas. As I stopped in small working class cafeteria for my cafe con leche this morning, I didn’t even have to ask the proprietor how he felt about Macri’s victory. I just looked at his picture of Che’s smiling face over the cash register.
I think people might forget how much the brilliant President Kirchner did for the country since 2003. As my building’s concierge, Laura, says- people have forgotten all those that had to survive by eating out of garbage cans and all those that were homeless after the crash of 2001. From what I gather the crash of 2001 was initiated by Argentina’s drive to re-nationalize its utilities and industries from foreign privatization. Gas, electricity, water and transportation are all subsidized by the Government. A subway ride is .50 US cents. University education is free. A young Brazilian friend is planning to go to medical school here in Buenos Aires next year.
It will be rude awakening for all if the prices of utilities skyrocket and education becomes exorbitantly expensive. Also the idea of paying off those vulture fund “debts” to Wall Street is troubling. Kirchner courageously refused to do it.
I asked Laura why people would vote for Macri. She said that people are brainwashed by false media propaganda and essentially people are “egoista.” Selfish.
In all probability, deployed were the protocols unveiled by John Perkin’s “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.” Some elite interests were given “offers they couldn’t refuse” lest the old moneyed boys’ clubs send in the jackals.
I see you altered your prior 50-50% breakdown.
Nonetheless, if you really believe your own comment… you should seek help!
Most people live lives of Quiet Desperation and know they have as much chance of getting rich as flying to the moon.
While likely not on your radar, studies HAVE been done that show that most people mostly just want a little more than enough to get by; and that what they value more than riches is a happy, healthy family life: people to love.
Also, taking what the mainstream media pushes–as norms–onto a viewing public, and then inverting the metrics to say that the public WANTS this or “emotionalizes” a government… are really shallow conclusions.
Like the forum’s EMBEDS, you seem to have a need to punish those who are done unto in the way of mass mind control rather than cast aspersions at those with the tools, resources, influence, and clout to ENACT that mind control (also known as brain-washing).
What I recall was that the crash had a strong tie to Argentina’s currency peg to the US dollar.
– Argentina had pegged the peso to the USD because of past episodes of peso hyperinflation, the most recent in the 1980s. (FWIW, Milton Friedman tells us that inflation is caused by the central bank allowing “inorganic emissions”, too easy money policy producing too many pesos.)
– The peg worked for a while, but it had some bad side-effects. The value of the USD is set by the US Federal Reserve according to US domestic needs. In the late 1990s the US had a strong dollar policy, and Argentina couldn’t keep up. It was a bit like James Byrd tied to the rear of a pickup truck. No way could Argentina run that fast. At the same time Argentina’s biggest trading partner Brazil had a weak monetary policy. The currency interface between those two countries resulted in Brazil not able to buy Argentine products but able to sell many products to Argentina, -> massive loss of jobs in Argentina and depletion of Argentina’s currency reserves. Argentina was forced to break the currency peg, and then to default on many foreign loans.
– I understand that the re-nationalizations that have happened have happened after the crisis, as part of their ‘program of recovery’.
As for “why people would vote for Macri”, fair and balanced requires asking a few more people, including people who actually did vote for Macri.
And as for foreign debt, back in 2001 there were a lot of Italian pension funds that had invested in Argentina, bought Argentina government bond in other words lent money to Argentina’s government. The default meant that a lot of Italian workers risked a hit to their pensions, and perhaps obligated the Italian government to bail out the funds’ pensioners. So a question: did those pension fund managers make a criminal unsafe risky casino-gambling mistake loaning money to Argentina?
I looked it up elsewhere. It was 54.4% to 45.5%. The margin was 9%, much larger than what Obama got in either of his elections.
The election map printed in Wikipedia shows that Scoli won more states, but Macri won the City of Buenas Aires and 8 states running from Uruguay to Chile just north of Buenas Aires state, plus Jujuy state in the far northwest.
Here is a worthwhile alternate article to look at:
In Argentina, A ‘Healthy Rebellion’ Set To Spread
Read More At Investor’s Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/112315-782179-in-argentina-a-healthy-rebellion-set-to-spread.htm#ixzz3sMoTRGma
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