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#ArmMeWith: Teachers Lead Opposition to Trump's Plan to Give Educators Guns

#ArmMeWith: Teachers Lead Opposition to Trump's Plan to Give Educators Guns

Julia Conley, staff writer

As students lead the nation in fighting for stricter gun control legislation, teachers across the country are speaking out against an alternative measure President Donald Trump has suggested to prevent school shootings like the one that took place last week in Parkland, Florida: arming teachers and training them to u


It isn’t even a fire. Horrific as these events are, they are actually very rare: 6 mass shootings in K-12 schools over 19 years (Columbine to Parkland). And judging from the number of schools there are in the US (minimum about 125,000, according to https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84), giving them each a minimum of 180 days in session a year (NJ’s legal minimum), that means there have been at least 72 million uneventful school days for every one of these horrors. That a whole generation should have lived through all of those days in terror of being shot by their teachers is to me a greater horror. Yes, one death is too many, but let’s focus on the lives and put the prevention on removing the threat rather than increasing the fear.


You have to be kidding me right?

A slaughter of 17 kids at a school from a long list of shootings at schools isn’t a fire? To every school kid in the US it sure as hell is.

Agree with your position against arming teachers at school, however I’ll side with the passion of these amazing and courageous kids who definitely see a fire raging out of control.



As a middle school teacher, I have, believe it or not, several brilliant ideas regarding this asinine “solution”:

  1. Have everyone who knows nothing about pedagogy stop dictating policy and curriculum.
  2. Pay us a real salary, and fully fund schools.
  3. Allow us to teach our students how to think and reason.
  4. If our students know how to think and reason, then they won’t need guns because they’ll be too busy working and building lives and helping the less fortunate, because built into thought and reason is empathy.

Let the education begin: (posted previously by Ditton)


More like hijacked, but I agree.


The fire the kids see is the availability of weapons of war to people just like them. That I agree to. Don’t go looking for a fight. The mayor of my little township in NW NJ wants to arm the “door monitors” at the 4 schools on my street. I’ve likened that proposal to salting our streets because it snowed yesterday in Alaska.


You asserted that you saw no “fire” regarding the number of shootings that have happened since Columbine, and then you go to a bizarre extent proving your point with statistics.

You should send that one to the NRA as a talking point.

These kids HAVE addressed the overall number of shootings at schools as their main point of outrage.

Me looking for a fight?

My goodness gracious, me?


The madness and arrogance of the orange cretin knows no bounds .- The “like really smart, stable genius” - the legend in his own mind - is in reality a shallow, narrow-minded ignoramus…


There IS a fire, as you correctly write Psy-Chick ,and its growing by the week. The violence our nations leaders encourage, sustain, and fund - while de-funding and/or cutting programs of social uplift - and their contempt for the lives of “ordinary” people in so many ways breeds violence in youth and adults who see no viable future to cling to. When one has nothing left to lose anything can be the result.

The increase pushing of psych meds on our kids mirrors the increase in school murders.



“A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.” - Martin Luther King Jr


Children being ‘protected’ in school by militarized teachers is a frightening and deeply concerning image that will be etched into their young developing brains and is reminiscent of how the Hitler Youth in Nazi Germany was indoctrinated beginning from a very young age to be made ready as ‘cannon fodder’.

From here on out 45 should only be allowed to speak or use his tiny twitter hands under careful supervision by an independent psychiatrist who understands psychopathy as well as the ideology of fascism…


To your fist point: Get the corporate criminals out office. Screw 'em. We owe them nothing as they have demonstrated time and again that they care only for themselves and their money. (Also, get the corporations out of education. I’m sure I speak for many teachers when I say that I’m tired of being given some half-assed curriculum that I’m supposed to choose among two or three other half-assed curricula which is slanted in some cases lately–(my experience)–toward the “glories of capitalism”. We want/need to teach unvarnished truth).

AS for your other two points: Capitalism, in this country, has been turning into a corrupt and diseased swamp since 1900. It’s time to adopt some of the versions of capitalism that other countries like japan, France, Holland, Spain, et al. use where people are treated like human beings; everyone makes money and there’s still “free enterprise”, something I believe that we no longer have here. There’s absolutely no reason for a CEO of any company to make 300 times the income of his or her average employee.
Yes, indeed, the assholes in power…I’m tired, weary, exhausted by assholes. We need to get rid of them. And we need to pass legislation forbidding any former member of government, regardless of position, from accepting, pursuing or otherwise being employed by any lobby as it could/would most likely lead to bribery and corruption.


Wow, the Waldman piece - educative and useful! Thanks, Giovanna-Lepore.

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Trump is in over his head so far that it’s ridiculous that anyone even listens to the drivel that he constantly spews…


Amen brother…

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That would be at least 700,000 gun sales! If Trump has his wish you may want to invest in one of the gun manufacturers… because this could be a windfall for you!


“‘the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.’ seems pretty clear to me."

Totally clear. Especially when you don’t amputate the sentence, it becomes clear that “militia” meant the colonial state militias, as they were called, vs. the centralized army - making a “well regulated militia” a citizenry armed and regulated by each state government.


And not to diminish Vegas and street murders and cops shooting unarmed civilians. I love guns and want a colt 45 chrome plated revolver with a rifled barrel. Thank God I can’t afford it. I remember when customs officers were not armed, or British Bobbies didn’t carry. We have become a crude ugly society solving all our problems with violence. No wonder the unhinged choose violence to be heard. How about a little more “Shock and AWE”, and don’t forget to splatter more blood across the video game screen.


This is a brazen attempt by the fascists in US government to militarize the educational sector just as police was militarized nationwide courtesy of the Patriot Act and the NDAA, the legislation that sealed the fate of US democracy. If the opposition to Trump’s plan fails there will be dire consequences (see my previous post in this thread).


You can still arm your bears, but it doesn’t say that you won’t have to pay insurance in order to do so.

Even if gun owners believe they must own them to protect themselves against the tyranny of the government, they are hopelessly misguided. They don’t represent any philosophy school that a majority of folks will find themselves fighting for, after the “freedom” to own a device created to kill, is seen by the masses as ridiculously unjustifiable. Further one must look very seriously at their arsenal vs.what will be brought to the fight to pacify them by the authorities. If those don’t scare the crap out of you, you are NOT being serious and honest, or you aren’t paying attention.

No set of fully auto battle rifles will be sufficient, and those who own these firearms will be the first ones the BAT-Fers will visit with swat teams. Attempt to use it and your side will have one fewer combatant/voice.