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As Trump Says 'Voting Is An Honor' in Rant Against Mail-In Ballots, Progressives Respond: 'Voting Is a Right'

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/21/trump-says-voting-honor-rant-against-mail-ballots-progressives-respond-voting-right

Unfortunately, there’s no legal basis I’ve ever seen for the contention USAmericans have any “right to vote.” This has been a very big deal for a long long time: the lack of any right to vote in USA. The supposed right is ceaselessly referenced by panglossians who haven’t looked into things because they don’t like to. It’s assumed to exist based on the line we’re fed about living in a democracy. Where is it? Tell me where in the Constitution you find a right to vote. It certainly should be there, but it isn’t.

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Next thing you know someone will be quoting the Constitution. The right to vote and actually getting a ballot in your hands is elusive as long as individual states control the process of getting a ballot.

From day one, the so called founding fathers (political insiders) made sure the system served themselves. I see no evidence that has ever changed. Witness recent DNC farce called a ‘primary’.

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Nothing to see here, b ut elsewhere Warren has outed herself as no progressive, no liberal, no socialist as she attacked Biden over and over and now is completely in bed with him and is no longer for Medicare For All,or all the other rights she claimed to believe in for years. Man, I hate being correct about her, but there it is for all to see. She will say and do anything to have VP on her resume. She has betrayed all of us along with the entire DP (AGAIN) and AOC is no better. Biden as POTUS will not be much better than DT so don’t kid yourself.

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Voting is a right, but knowing how they’re counted is beyond your need to know. Good thing we’ve got the Pentagon and Microsoft on top of that. Have a good day and pay no attention to the private firms behind the curtain.

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Warren is trying to step into the presidency through the back door. Biden’s pretty old. Hes probly not in great health. She’s assuming he will die in office and she steps in and takes over.

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I don’t think McConnell cares if he gets re-elected because if he gets the pass for corporations murdering their employees with absolute impunity, he will be set for life.

Trump often does us the favor of telling the truth by saying the quiet part aloud.

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Helen Keller wrote in a time when women could not vote in the USA. While she was in no way against extending that right to Women she cautioned that having the right to vote would mean nothing if the people did not use that right to force meaningful change. She pointed out that White men in England as example could vote for centuries yet were still working 12 hours days 6 days a week in coal mines for wages that barely kept them clothed and fed.

In the USA she felt that as long as the people kept voting for one of the two established parties, and did so out of loyalty to that party, the vote was in effect meaningless. The voter had to be able and willing to vote other choices. She was writing this in the early 1900s and were she alive to witness today elections she I am sure she would say that this false choice between parties is exactly what I warned against.

By all means fight for the peoples right to vote so that no person disenfranchised but do not in the next breath say that those people now must vote Democrat so as to ensure trump does not win and that those people who might vote Green or some other party then the Democrats or republicans are “purists that are enabling fascism”. Do not whine for the next 30 years about how people using their right to vote and then voting Green , allowed Bush to be elected as president. To do so makes you a hypocrite.

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From voting is the opium…, to if it mattered they’d make it illegal…, to it’s who counts the votes… to elected representatives pay very little, or no, attention to what their constituents want…
Oh well, the thought of an America where the citizens had real power through the vote, was generally a wonderful set of ideas. It sure looked good on paper, anyway.
The trouble is when it was written most people couldn’t read, therefore they had to trust elites, to read the social contract to them. The elite saw where that was heading, so they invented " fine print " and patented the use of that. The elite still hold all the rights to the patent.
The rest is history, or so they tell me. I wouldn’t know since I’m still trying to read all the fine print on my phone contract, my automobile warranty, my agreements with Google, my landlord’s rental agreement, my insurance policies, my bank’s paperwork …Does anybody know a good contracts lawyer, btw?

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Vote by mail is the best and only way to counteract fraud and vote rigging. GOP hates it because they’ve been winning by fraudulent means, voting machines, Florida and Ohio crooks.

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I wasn’t aware of this statement. It’s not quite true: only men with property could vote until the mid-19th century which led to riots by working men demanding suffrage. Surely Ms Keller must have known this. As for today, the Republicans in the USA are working very hard to restrict voting rights to white, wealthy people only. I’m on your side regarding voting outside the two-party clique. Nothing substantial will change in the USA or here in the UK if leftists keep voting for the system’s candidates.

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Be careful what you wish for without proper security provisions put in place. Greg Palest has quite a few articles about the possible ways this method could bite us in the butt. With out security, this could be the trojan horse they’re looking for to further subvert the citizens.
Check out Palest’s site, it’s his name and dot com.

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She was referring directly to the working men of the time who could all vote and yet saw little difference due to that vote. She was a socialist and as she saw it there really not a choice if both parties were Capitalist.

My apologies for the wording of my post. Ms Keller was very intelligent and well informed.

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Like “he” would know anything about honor.

On Twitter, advocates voiced their opposition to the president’s repeated attacks on vote-by-mail by reiterating that voting is a right:

The fact that Trump is so adamant about POTENTIAL FRAUD; attacking voting by mail, and saying it is illegal… should tell progressives this just corroborates G. Carlin: " IF VOTING MATTERED, IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL!"

It was there for all to see in 2016 when Warren backed the Wall Street Walker over Bernie. Warren is a political opportunist and what more proof do we need than she supported the Wall Street Stooge in 2020 over Bernie!

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“If voting could change anything, it would be illegal.”
–Emma Goldman (I loves me some George C., but Ms. G got there first)

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It is interesting in that there are two ideologically opposite ideas as to what constitutes a ‘right’ - the first, so called ‘negative rights’ holds that a right is freedom from something and requires only that others (including governments) respect the right by not preventing one from doing it. Examples of negative rights are the right to live peacefully, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from slavery, and most property rights (freedom from confiscation).

‘Positive rights’ on the other hand, place a positive duty on others, i.e. a duty to offer something or act in a certain way. A positive right requires others to respect it by complying with it. Examples of positive rights are the rights to free schooling, free healthcare and, yes, the right to vote.

The US Bill of Rights was based primarily on negative rights - those things that should not be interfered with, while most modern European Constitutions are based on positive rights. From a strict view the two are logically incompatible, for example one cannot simultaneously have free speech and be restricted from ‘hate speech’. The ‘right to vote’ was not addressed by the Founders because one cannot hold a negative right and simultaneously be subject to restrictions on it. Freedom of Religion isn’t really freedom if the government can close churches at will and Freedom of Speech isn’t really freedom if one can be jailed for expressing an idea. The Individual Right to Vote on the other hand, is subject to innumerable restrictions, the biggest being that only certain items can be directly voted on. The ‘right to vote’ is in most cases a sham, and as we are reminded by Shantiananda, If it made any difference, you wouldn’t be allowed to do it.

Trump is making an issue of this because he knows voting is the only way right now that he can be removed from office.