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As World Teeters on Brink, Over 250 Scientists and Scholars Warn of Full-Fledged 'Societal Collapse'

All known civilizations have collapsed; why should we be any different? Economic and social collapse would yield an estimated 75% reduction in global population - the majority in the first 6-months. If the only hope is for everyone in the world to cooperate, then we are indeed doomed.

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They may well be safe, but right now that really isn’t known. mRNA vaccines have never been approved for use on humans. Observation of a few thousand subjects for a few months is hardly a conclusive study. Have any vaccinations been given to pregnant women? No. Do vaccinated people still possess the capability to be carriers? Who knows. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Epidemiologists are overconfident, in my opinion.

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indeed. What do the epidemiologists think is an acceptable “collateral damage”?

Which is to say nothing more than that the past is past–or possibly prologue (Shakespeare).

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We also need to re-educate those belonging to the 47% of our population that voted for Fascism. That percentage is rather high compared to the election of another fascist in history, Adolf Hitler, who in 1933 won the election to chancellor with mere 33%…

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How would you accomplish that? I suspect that calling them fascists and racists will not endear them to your other views.

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There is no point looking for help from existing governmental structures and systems. They have helped create the fix we find ourselves in. All existing governments manage faster and faster growth to infinity on a finite planet. Capitalism with a Chinese character is still capitalism, a system designed to grow at compounded interest.

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Hand up.There are so many things to do and so little time.

People should have a look at permaculture, syntropic farming, Transition towns, and holistic livestock management. Permaculture particularly offers ways to reduce and reverse drought, flood, and fire, with methods and methods of analysis that are applicable internationally and at residential, community, and commercial levels.

In very many areas there are local groups, some of which see themselves as directly connected to carbon farming per se, but which people might find under headings for compost as well.

This sort of thing responds to the problem on many levels at once:

  • It redirects waste
  • It reduces energy use
  • It sequesters carbon in the soil (potentially tons per acre)
  • It moderates climate directly by foresting denuded land
  • It augments local economic independence
  • It creates a basis for egalitarian and community-level cooperation

And then, hanging in the garden and enjoying fresh fruits and vegetables is not at all bad. Had I known when I was renting, I’d have had fresh herbs year round, and vegetables and mushrooms at most places.

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thats right. at the beginning of this century Evo Morales said “Either the Earth lives
and capitalism dies. or capitalism lives and the Earth dies”

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“Lobbying Common Dreams for a better forum, something more democratic, where great messages rise to the top of the comments pages more thoroughly vetted, not created yesterday by a troll. Would this approximate an online consensus process where good ideas would rise to the top. Best comments into a Wikipaedia file. An online discernment process (is or isn’t?) a better way to hold important conversation, time-efficient, energy-saving…etc…”

Just couldn’t resist pointing a way some a where.
Beer recommendation! Eugene “ill-tempered Gnome”
A beer to experience! Drink to a NEW acronym:
“HWNNM” (He Whose Name Not Mentioned)
Hwnnm, Him, parted ways with USAmericans years ago.
Central, South and any Canadian American left to mine oil.
All for your next airliner safari ‘wink’ business trip getaway,
avoid car strangled thoroughfares in our “driverless” robolimo sedans.
(ha ha, that sounded funny) “Our driverless Robo-Limo Sedans” like a sing-song.
Big Broadway hit! Tell self-driving car jokes, please!!
Truth or Fact?
Elon Musk Tesla ‘S’ sport sedan “road lizards”
Considered the most over-rated EV on the road?
“Hello. Robolimo? Pick me up.” Robolimo answers:
“No. You can walk. Your ride privilege has been revoked.
Have a nice day.”

In 1915, writing from prison, Rosa Luxemburg wrote: “Either socialism or barbarism.”

We all face the barbarism of global corporate capitalism now.

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We must think of human progress, not as of something going on in the race in general, but as of something going on in a small minority, perpetually beleaguered in a few walled towns. Now and then the horde of barbarians outside breaks through, and we have an armed effort to halt the process. That is, we have a Reformation, a French Revolution, a war for democracy, a Great Awakening. The minority is decimated and driven to cover. But a few survive—and a few are enough to carry on.

  • H.L. Mencken
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You are correct. It is difficult to reach people that have a fanatical disposition which is the result of relentless authoritarian indoctrination by M$M. The ideology of Fascism appeals with its innate hatred and fear foremost to the amygdala in people’s brain, our lowest instincts. That’s hard to overcome with reason. Never-the-less, and regardless of the obstacles, I think it is paramount to keep communication channels open to those who have been misguided. I’ve had some conversations with people who in the end were open to reasoning. And then there are those fanatical individuals that never can be reached because they are the personification of hatred themselves…

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Here is something that the psychologists have so far neglected: the love of ugliness for its own sake, the lust to make the world intolerable. Its habitat is the United States. Out of the melting pot emerges a race which hates beauty as it hates truth.

  • H.L. Mencken
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The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are.

  • H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
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The plain fact is that education is itself a form of propaganda - a deliberate scheme to outfit the pupil, not with the capacity to weigh ideas, but with a simple appetite for gulping ideas ready-made. The aim is to make ‘good’ citizens, which is to say, docile and uninquisitive citizens.

  • H.L. Menchken
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Denial of this issue is cowardice, IMO, tantamount to a refusal/inability to see one’s problems.

Evidently, at least 74 million citizens of the USA, alone, are therefore cowards, choosing to bury their heads in the sand in regards to the planet’s health. Many of these people are tribalistic in their denialism, thinking that in so doing they “own the libs.” Dangerous stupidity🤦 with deadly consequences for all.

What is to be done about those people, commentariat?

Reeducation? You’ve been trying to reeducate them - some of you for roughly a half century. Good luck with that (i can’t help in that endeavor; that demographic would sooner have a cop kneel on my neck than accept that im right and they’re wrong about anything). Consider me a Skeptic as to your ability to make these people “see the light,” especially considering how close the climate clock is ticking to Time’s Up.

continued insistence that these people can/will accept reeducation at this late hour strikes me as its own form of denialism. No offense to anyone, just trying to acknowledge/address a very real obstacle to Progress on this issue…

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what we have here is the result of 50 years of climate denial by virtually all our political leaders–the businesses making their money on perpetrating the collapse of our ecosystems- and the media whores who spew endless hours of propaganda in support of the criminals who think that killing our planet for a profit is a good idea–this particularly includes the war mongers who’s claim to fame is the direct destruction of our ecosystems–the inhabitants of the countries being destroyed --all for the money

–we have no shame and soon we will have no planet

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(Oh i see i misread your post! i thought you meant that i had sent a post to your husband, and that you had read that post :smiley:! :smile: )

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Without getting involved in the issue of the coup, Evo Morales could talk the talk but not quite walk the walk. Recall his commitment to bull-doze through a highway, defending it as progress.

¬https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2018/no-1371-november-2018/material-world-bolivia-morales-comes-up-against-capitalism

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