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At Vigil for Florida Shooting Victims, Those Closest to Attack Demand Strict Gun Control


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At Vigil for Florida Shooting Victims, Those Closest to Attack Demand Strict Gun Control

Julia Conley, staff writer

A vigil for the 17 people who were killed in Wednesday's shooting at a Florida high school was marked by anger and demands for policy changes as well as grief.

Students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland broke out in chants of "No more guns!" echoing several calls by community members who have demanded reforms that could have kept alleged gunman Nikolas Cruz from obtaining the AR-15 that was used in the shooting.


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I was most amazed at the County Sheriff’s impassioned promise to change the political leadership.


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I no longer have any sympathy for two reasons — 1) the lack of concern for the death of innocents overseas caused by those who are elected, and 2) the fact that the electorate continues to re-elect people who won’t do anything about firearms.


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No one who has children can imagine the grief of the left behind parents.
That said, our government seems to embrace the foreign policies of absolute violence by GUNS so what kind of example do they portray??? “Innocents” slaughtered by AR-15’s different than innocents by drones???
We speak with forked tongue. If it makes money we will embrace whatever that is.


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Some perspective.

In Canada there have been some 20 school shooting incidents since 1890 in sum total with just over 40 persons killed, the single largest incident occuring saw 15 killed at Ecole Polytechnique. These include both grade school shootings and those at Univerisites and Colleges. The incident at Ecole Polytechnique saw the passing of tighter gun control legislation.

Security Guards in Canadian schools and universities do not carry guns. They are what the US Gun cult would refer to as gun free zones.

The owning of handguns and long weapons in Canada is legal. There tighter restrictions on what can be owned and the process to obtianing the same more difficult.

As per Police Statistics over 80 percent of all handguns used to commit crimes in Canada are smuggled into Canada from the USA. This in and of itself defeats the arguement that Gun Control does not work. If the BAD guys find it easier to go to the USA and smuggle guns into Canada, then it easier for a bad guy to get a gun in the USA then in Canada BECAUSE those regulations in Canada make it more difficult for them to do it here.

Gun Control laws and regulations in Canada are passed at the Federal level and are uniform across the Country. This means you can not go from one town or province to the next to buy guns because one jurisdiction has laws that are more lax.

Mental illness also exists in Canada.

Forget that fricking second amendment and these idiotic claims that in a country with 1000+ citizens killed by the police each year, where there mass surveillance of Citizens and where people arrested for giving food to the homeless, guns are needed to “defend freedom and liberty”. These are kids dying , not Clint Eastwood killing the Black Hat bad guy in a Gunfight on some dusty street.


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Hear, hear!

Bravo, Sheriff Israel!


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Mr. Cruz was weaponized in two ways: some billionaire sold him the hardware and some death cult trained him to be cold and efficient. We need to close both loopholes.

Also, Mr. Trump aims to cut the nation’s mental health care budget this year.


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Translation: Because the NRA told us so!


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Excellent perspective!


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The good people in Law Enforcement, and they are many, have known first-hand, that this country has a serious gun problem, for a long time.


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Would that be the JROTC that he attended at the school?

Totally irrelevant. Cruz was not adjudicated mentally ill, and only 4% of violent crimes nationwide are committed by those who have been. Promote support for those with mental illness, but not in this context.


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BINGO!
The United States has murdered untold numbers of innocent children all over the world, but have been totally indifferent to those children! Where is the remorse and prayers for them! We need gun control, to stop the violence of Amerika’s fascist, government in foreign countries first and then we might finally be able to address the egregious, gun violence domestically.

We need to demand that the US military sets the example because it is the one that needs gun and violence control.


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I sent this to my local “progressive” e-rag. It applies pretty much throughout the country. Feel free to use it to contact the lib/prog/left “alternative” media that continue to say the Dems are better on gun control - or much of anything else. BTW the way, Tim Walz, the leading DFL (Dem) candidate for governor has “donated” his latest NRA contributions to charity. Doesn’t exactly say why he took the dirty money at all. It’s not like the Florida massacre is anything new. It’s just the most recent horror in a nation were a daily dose of horror adds to our rulers’ many weapons of mass distraction, some of which are provided by “progressives” and the “progressive” media.


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For the politician seeking to make a public statement, it would be better to transfer the NRA “campaign contribution” to a grassroots community group, rather than return the money back to the NRA political committee.


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If I read you correctly, it has become useful politics (at least this week). If that’s true, you are exactly correct. In fact, that’s what Walz actually did and I edited my comment. Thanks.


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Thank you to the younger generation, If Democracy has any chance of being saved, it is mostly in the hands of those who will be voters in the near future.


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Intelligent demands, from the mouths of babes, “Vote Them All Out.”


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Some questions:

How many would agree that “If we ban guns only the bad guys would have guns”? That only the government should have guns? That the government is an oligarchy? That the oligarchs are the bad guys? That the oligarchy wants to disarm the people to enslave them?

With Benito Mussolini?:
“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.”

  • Benito Mussolini

With Adoph Hitler?:
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.”

  • Adolf Hitler

With Mao?:
“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”

  • Mao Tse Tung

With Dianne Feinstein?:
“If I could have banned them all - ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ - I would have!”

  • Diane Feinstein

With Obama?:
“I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.”

  • Barack Obama (during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s)

Should gun possession be treated the same as dangerous motor vehicles, educate, license, register and insure?

If Cruz could have killed as many people by driving a vehicle into a crowd why did he use a rifle?

Does banning guns end the reasons people kill such as poverty, authoritarianism, disempowerment, abuse, jealousy, PTSD, anti-depressants, alcohol, grief, disrespect, humiliation, bullying, bad example, revenge, ignorance, brainwashing, etc.?

Direct Democracy


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While waiting for the American ‘the solution comes from the barrel of a gun’ culture to change, nationalise the small arms industry. (That’s who fund the votes to prevent gun control reform.) Then while the nation’s deranged still have residual caches of weapons and ammunition, the profits could be used to make all of the nation’s schools and public buildings really secure. (How many shooters have come off the street for a day’s mass killing in a maximum security prison?)

Of course the above suggestion is fanciful until the nation regurgitates all of the ‘world’s greatest democracy’ baloney swallowed in facile and triumphalist school history and civics classes and begin to reform electoral systems and their administration so that the will of the majority and be realised.

Meanwhile to see how far there might be to go, consider this from New South Wales, Australia’s most populous state:


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Note 1: Healthy societies with democratic cultures do not thrive by reason of the populace having easy access to military assault rifles and ammunition.

Note 2: The propaganda from the small arms industry (of which the NRA is just the mouthpiece) that American democracy is ‘protected’ and ‘maintained’ by the populace having the weapons to keep the government in check is baloney for those with a low level of political and historical literacy. Rebellions against a government or regime very rarely (if at all) succeed unless a significant amount of the military sides with the rebels (e.g. the 1917 Russian Revolution), the military stays neutral (e.g. the 1989 end of the Communist Regime in Czechoslovakia - where nobody had to be shot for things to change), or the rebels are aided by the military of another country (e.g. the American Revolution).

The scenario of the the armed people saving the the nation from ‘tyranny’ also fails to mention that the ‘armed people’ could also have the aim of establishing their own tyranny (white supremacists etc.)

“Direct democracy”. Have a think about when the de jure segregation and denial of voting rights (‘Jim Crow laws’) for African Americans might have ended if it had been left to a direct vote by the non African Americans (who had voting rights) in those jurisdictions. (Switzerland’s ‘direct democracy’ also denied women the right to vote in Federal elections until the 1970s.) Proper balance between ‘representative’ and ‘direct’ democracy needs to be established.