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Aung San Suu Kyi in Hungary: A Chilling Sign of Global Islamophobia

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/06/07/aung-san-suu-kyi-hungary-chilling-sign-global-islamophobia

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, [The God Delusion]

“All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry.”
― Edgar Allan Poe

“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.”
― Isaac Asimov

“I’m completely in favor of the
separation of Church and State.
… These two institutions screw us up enough
on their own, so both of them together is
certain death.”
― George Carlin

“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”
― Napoleon Bonaparte

“Religion. It’s given people hope in a world torn apart by religion.”
― Jon Stewart

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.”
― Seneca

“I don’t know how you feel, but I’m pretty sick of church people. You know what they ought to do with churches? Tax them. If holy people are so interested in politics, government, and public policy, let them pay the price of admission like everybody else. The Catholic Church alone could wipe out the national debt if all you did was tax their real estate.”
― George Carlin

“Civilization will not attain to its perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest.”
― Émile Zola

“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.”
― Robert A. Heinlein

“One of the greatest tragedies in mankind’s entire history may be that morality was hijacked by religion.”
― Arthur C. Clarke

“Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to God.”
― Lenny Bruce

“Theology is ignorance with wings.”
― Sam Harris

“I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It’s just that the translations have gone wrong.”
― John Lennon

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What does this have to do with the article? The “religion” of Orban, and now is seems Suu Kyi, is fascism. And most fascists are atheists who worship only racial purity.

It’s Christianity and Buddhism vs Islam. The Crusades of organized religion:

“The Buddhist Aung San Suu Kyi and the Christian Orban are an integral part of a cross-continental political movement that views Islam as a mortal threat.“

The supposed threat of Islam to the West is a myth.

Maybe. But maybe the threat isn’t actualized until there are regions or countries with enough majority of people who believe some of the tenants of Islam that intersect and conflict with current roles of the state. I don’t feel too worried myself at the moment where I live - most of the people I know who call themselves Muslim are pretty reasonable. None of them support Sharia law or changes in law related to gay marriage or anything else most progressives would (and should) bristle against. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen or it won’t happen in other countries. After all Islam started small and some countries changed quite a bit after Islam took over. I have relatives that are bitter about the Islamic conquest of Iran - the country managed to keep their language, but they lost pretty much completely their existing religion and obviously culture changed (I don’t doubt that for some people their position in Persian society actually improved).

For me as an atheist, I can see nothing good about Islam becoming a majority in whatever country I lived in. I can see nothing good about a majority of certain sects of evangelical Christians either. And it seems a majority of some sects of Buddhists can act like monsters. It is probably best for me if any particular religion is always in a minority position, but I’m stuck with the way the world is.

I’m not sure that’s true, but I won’t deny it either - is their some study that shows this (the fascists are atheists part)? On the racial purity aspect, the problem that Sam Harris and people of similar perspective (I share a limited amount, but he irks me quite often) state is absolutely not about race - only the religion itself. I don’t doubt that race comes into play in the Burmese persecution of the Rohingya though.

That is ridiculous. I can’t speak for what Buddha said, but their are plenty of things said by Jesus that I can’t get past and no way is it a translation issue. I’m not even sure there is enough evidence to really assume Jesus existed (I’m sure Mohammed existed), but if he did and said stupid stuff like “it’s not right to give food from the children’s table to the dogs”, how the hell is that mistranslated? Did the society back than which Jesus was a part of revere dogs to be the equal of people? I doubt it - Jesus clearly seems like a racist to me.

I’ve never read the Koran and certainly never will (I’ve read Matthew and Job and that was enough), but skimming http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html I see plenty of garbage. I’m not sure if any of these lines are supposedly spoken by Mohammad or not, but I’m sure if I dug in I’d find plenty of garbage that isn’t going to be explained away easily by mistranslation.

I’d rather “imagine no religion”.

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I’m not superstitious so I cant debate organized religion.

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No. You are not following current events very well. Orban is widely regarded as a fascist. Su kyi who is etnically cleaning the Rohingra because they pollute the pority of the Burmese race, is also a fascist.

excellent list.

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all organized religion is a threat to liberty, especially for other religious minorities, atheists, women, gays, and sometimes science too This certainly includes Muslims who nowhere treat their minorities well, who have largely driven out Jews and Christians from the Arab Middle East, who persecute gays, whose shari’a law enshrines unfair treatment to women, and there seems both serious conflict at the boundaries with others - .e.g. Buddhists in Myammar, Thailand, Catholics in Philippines, East Timor, Orthodox Christians in Kosovo, Chechnya, Egypt, Armenia, Jews in Israel, Hindus in Kashmir, India, Confucianism in China, diverse Christians and animists in Sudan, Kenya, Nigeria, AND, have plenty of inter-religious conflict as in the Sunni-Shi’a split. So lets not be naïve about the power of religion to cause mischief even as individuals of all religions (most of whom do not actively participate in the mischief) and none, deserve decent treatment.

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I realize. I’m really debating with the idea John Lennon is espousing here which I’ve heard many times before. I’m actually a bit disappointed he believed this.

I agree with all the other quotes in your list.

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The writing was on the wall was from very day one.

https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2015/no-1336-december-2015/material-world-burma-more-rounds-go/

https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2017/2010s/no-1358-october-2017/material-world-road-burma/

John Lennon was profoundly correct.
God is in all of us .
God is just another name for Life .
Nothing is seperate from Life ,all is one .
The higher the blasphemy the greater the truth.
The messages from many masters have been remarkably similar .
We Are All One .
That will serve humanity .
Organised Religion and Nationalism are the two biggest problems humanity must solve.
They claim they have all the answers when they have none .They keep us divided they mine your minds .For millennia we have had slow evolutionary progress.
The answers are inside your Self. They always have been ,we are connected to source .Religion claims it speaks for the divine from old books thst have never been seriously challenged.

It’s all fallacy,half of it made up and half written by men .
Mother Earth is the Sacred, our life giver she sustains us .Serve life not a violent ,vindictive ,power hungry righteous deity seperate from humans .

Everything here qwacks too simple. Sorry, but I’m inclined at least to listen to the fringers on this one.

You can give me your 2 cents on this, and if somebody doesn’t I won’t bring it up again.

Here’s a subtitle I’m censoring. The basic argument is all over the net (if you look), but right now I don’t have my credible links handy. I don’t like this source, because I see on its home page it’s blaming Iran for killings in Sudan, which I surmise is out to lunch.

WITH U.S. ALLY ___________ FUNDING AND STOKING ROHINGYA INSURGENCIES, THE U.S. CREATES A CHANCE TO BLOCKADE CHINA’S OIL SUPPLY AND PROVIDE AUNG SAN SUU KYI THE MILITARY COOPERATION NEEDED TO WREST MYANMAR BACK FROM CHINESE INFLUENCE.

For all I know, if the thing was a false flag, the simple purpose might have been to bring on the retribution, thus either to 1) in paranoid fashion move any far-future “possible” militants out of some pipeline’s way, or 2) just move people out of the way of future pipelines or extraction operations.

One could argue the contest with China is in there somewhere, but, as far as I know, SA (our ally) is still piping 200K barrels a day to China through Myanmar. The problem with this false flag theory AFAICS is that SA loses that daily sale. Are we gonna talk’em into giving it up, or will it be preserved with some future exploration in the area ending up controlled by SA/US…and some remaining under Chinese control? This “carving up” seems to be what’s happening right now in Africa (with SA & UAE attempting a tighter hold on Sudan).

“The supposed threat of Islam to the West is a myth.”

Really? Would you at least admit that radical Islam is an existential threat to the West, Mr. Osborne? Or are you so insistent on being politically correct you would ignore all the murderous jihadi attacks in Europe, the US and the Middle East that have killed tens of thousands of innocents, of which peaceful Muslims are the most numerous victims? Clarification, please.

And most fascists are atheists who worship only racial purity.

It’s a myth perpetrated by church leaders. Hitler was an Xthian who felt he was doing Gods work. He wrote about.

Maybe you’re barking up the wrong tree. Existential threats usually come from where you don’t expect them because you’ve been misled.