You see how its done Bernie. You stick to your principles, not join the other side. You stay with the people who back you, not capitulate and join those that subvert you.
LOL You Nailed it
Um. You do realize that Senator Sanders (D/I/LMT) has endorsed a war criminal who’s promised to veto Single Payer, and his Vice President, an oppressive, pro-police prosecutor, right?
Yes, I do. My point is that Bernie should not have caved in to the democrat rigging of the primaries against him and should have fought even harder for his principles, not give in to Biden and the corrupt dem party.
I have listened to so many at Common Dreams that make comments that there should never be concessions, that you must never ally yourself with someone who doesn’t share all your views. That there MUST be unanimity; otherwise that person is a common foe. I am ever so grateful that FDR and Winston Churchill were willing to join forces with Josef Stalin to take on Adolph Hitler despite the fact they shared little in common except an enemy that was a major threat. If in their wisdom they didn’t concede and join forces, we all would be saying: " Der Feuhrer ist wunderbar and Sprechen sie Deutsch?" We all would be exceptionally good at doing the goosestep.
Trump is an existential threat to all of mankind. His ignorance towards science, his attack on our environment, his push for herd immunity with regards to the virus, and his assault on our Democratic institutions have shown him to be the common enemy of the 21st century that we need to band together and defeat. Bernie understands this; he hasn’t relinquished his progressive ideals but recognizes we have a common enemy that has to be removed before it is too late.
Where has anyone here said anything like “there should never be concessions” or you shouldn’t ally with someone who doesn’t share “all your views?” The problem is that progressives are being asked to concede everything, to support someone who doesn’t share ANY of their views.
It is great that the indigenous socialist party won the election as we expected it would. The question remains if it will be allowed to return to power. What will insure that and protect against another coup?
Right. We are being asked to support a party that openly subverted Bernie, refuses to support M4A that 90% of its base wants, is full of war mongers responsible for the murder of thousands of people, takes money from the fossil fuel industry which is destroying the planet, supports torture and the maintenance of the American empire, all of which is in agreement with the GOP. As Dara has laid out repeatedly and succinctly, voting your conscience and voting third party or write in results in exactly ZERO votes for Trump. The math is undeniable. I will not be shamed into voting for a party that actively and thoroughly works against nearly everything I believe in.
Sanders joined the Democrats before when he decided to back Hilary, this before the nature of Trump even known.
Progressive ideals are abandoned if one chooses to join the Democratic party.
That has always been the role of the Democratic party.
If I had a dollar for every comment I’ve read stating: " I’m not voting for the Duopoly, I’m voting Green Party or for the Democratic Socialists I would be retired by now. The comment I responded to above was " stick to your principles, not join the other side." I have read that ideology professed here in countless ways and I view it detrimental considering the political situation we find ourselves in. What I believe progressives need to do is negotiate with the Democrats and pick TWO issues of paramount importance to us and allow blue dog Democrats pick their TWO most important concerns and band together to win elections against the Republicans that have embraced radical, extremist
policies that are extremely detrimental to Americans as a whole. Over the years the extreme rich have demonized the terms: communist, socialist, progressive, and left leaning ideology. A majority of Americans have signed on to that train of thought and do not identify with any of those terms. Compromise but hold steadfast to several principles that are not negotiable. That should be the winning strategy.
Ahhhhh, gee, I really feel for all those assholes in the State Dept. who were delighted that the coup happened last year (they probably helped) in Bolivia. With these damn socialists back in power there will probably be a new arrangement with the U.S. government in the securing of Bolivia’s lithium which we need for our high-tech batteries. etc. Don’t these “shithole” countries realize that the U.S. has “interests” in the region which include the “resources” found there? U.S. foreign policy means that our needs have a better claim to what these countries have than the needs and expectations of the people who actually live there. Oh well, there is still Venezuela and Brazil to strong arm with sanctions and possible military action.
The U.S. has military installations of one kind or another in 70% of the countries in the world. Sure sounds like an empire to me.
How well has that worked out for you for the past 50 years?
From where I sit it this “compromise” has been an absolute failure down in the USA. It has in fact lead to the Democrats moving to the right to the point they now have ex republicans as members and are to the right of Nixon on policy.
It is not the extreme rich that have demonized the word Socialist. It is the Democrats. Biden is demonizing them as we speak as he boasts of having defeated “the Socialist” at every campaign stop.
The winning strategy is a third party as the people of Bolivia have demonstrated. The Socialist party that won was started in 1998. It did not exist before that. They decided they would not “compromise” with Center and right wing parties. They decided that the party of what was deemed the “center” at the time was moving further and further right and that they could no longer support it.
They did not say “lets stay part of this party and pick two issues important to us and trade in the rest”
By the way. Morales introduced “unified health care” in his first term. This something the people in the USA have been trying to get via the Democrats for over 60 years.The USA is a rich country and they claim they can not afford it, Democrats and Republicans both. Bolivia is not so rich. They got it because the people voted for a party that said they would implement it.
We are not Bolivia and we are not New Zealand. Unfortunately in OUR country the majority of Americans would identify themselves as center-right in ideology. It is the sad reality we are confronted with. Progressives need a spokesperson and a willingness to band together and confront Democrats with fact they make up 30% of American voters and that it will be hard to win an election without their backing. Also, they need to be made aware that if several key issues ( combatting climate change, pathway to citizenship for Dreamers, big money out of our elections, police reform, etc. ) are not to be ignored and if they are we as a group will abstain from the next election. Try winning it without us. We need to take better control of the Democratic Party like tea party white supremacists have taking control over the Republican Party.
I am sorry that you believe you have been betrayed. He has been instrumental in bringing monumental changes to the Democratic Party. Without him, would they have ever contemplated enacting reforms to battle climate change? Would income inequity even be considered? Would Biden be offering to sit with Black Lives Matter and police leaders to talk of implementing changes to how police deal with suspects? I doubt it. The game is one of chess where you need to be willing to sacrifice a pawn or a rook to get the king. He understands that a has forever changed how we view the political landscape. That it is much better to take a seat at the table and negotiate for what one believes than pass the test of purity. To vote for Green Party can make you feel great inside, but twenty years from now they will be pushing to get their first electoral votes and nobody will remember who ran under their banner. Their best shot was with Ralph Nader and it went nowhere. Do you remember who his running mate was?
I truly have felt as you do and years ago I was voting 3rd Party. It was like eating cotton candy… makes you feel good but has little substance.
The secret is to reform the Democratic Party and recognize change is like watching grass grow. It was only several generations back that women won the right to vote. Two generations ago they were expected to stay home and wash dishes. I grew up watching water coolers for " white people only." Grew up during the March on Washington for civil and economic rights for our black brothers and sisters. They still haven’t seen that reality come to fruition. We need to become realists and recognize that the greatest amount of change that we dream for our children is to reform the Democratic Party from the inside. Hard work, but it can be done and Bernie recognizes that fact.
It’s interesting you use the FDR, Churchill, Stalin analogy in the reference to the dnc, Sanders discussion. Interesting because you fail to acknowledge the dnc’s relationship is very much like the WWII allies alliance. FDR (Truman after FDR’s death) and Churchill used Stalin and the USSR to do most of the fighting, and take the largest loss of citizens, then turned against him when it came time to divide up the spoils of war in the end, and evidentially demonize him and his country. The Sanders (progressives)-dnc relationship is not much different, neoliberals in the dnc want the progressive vote, but demonizes us at the same time. And Sanders instead of standing up to the party leadership, or taking his supporters and leaving the party, accepts this lopsided relationship.
was thinking the same exact thing … no doubt churchill was definitely hoping the USSR would end up in chaos or revolution at the end of the war … churchill would have made a good fascist
I would say many in this country, in leadership positions were good fascists. It’s the reason they snuck in so many of Hitler’s minions after the war, and legitimatized full time fascism by authorizing the CIA, 2 years after the war ended, by labeling them a “spy agency”, when their real roll was the muscle to protect Wall Street and American corporate interests around the world.
viva la revolucion! may the people united never be defeated. this amerika has a lot to learn from Peru!