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Bernie Surging: New Poll Shows Sanders Ahead of Clinton in NH


There is a real question of what Sanders could achieve if he won because of the make up of congress. And this is why it must be understood that there is a movement to the left in this country. People are struggling economically, people don’t understand why so many young people are dying in perpetual wars. The real question is why these large crowds for Sanders? Of course our Keep everybody ignorant media will never attempt to answer this. People from the left need to run for congress and expand on Sanders message. The media is throwing out the word socialist and is not having the negative effect they are hoping for-people know Obama caved-people want a good future for their kids and fundamentally know things are not working. Now is the time to challenge the media in this country and put forward real solutions. And I think Bernie Sanders should ask Rep. Barbra Lee be his running mate.


Hillary, when you have to resort to lies you just seem desperate. Bernie supports the right of Palestinians to their own autonomous state and criticized Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians during Operation Protective Edge - which you know because I posted his position paper on it the last time you posted your lies.


Well Hillary, considering your relationship with Bill I can see where you’d feel that way, but Bernie isn’t like that.


Are you going to post this in every thread about the election or just in the ones about Bernie? This is the second time you put it in a Sanders thread.

Or to put it another way, are you trying to dissuade all progressives from voting or just the ones who’d vote for Bernie?


To equate the fifty-year-old passage of Medicare - the last time Democrats passed populist legislation - with the ACA, written by a WellPoint lobbyist, is to ignore the slide, hard right, by the Democratic Party since 1965.

The slide personified, of course, by Liz Fowler, the lobbyist who was hired, by the Democrats, to write the damnable ACA, designed to keep Single Payer away for a generation. Compare and contrast to the public health policy experts and liberal Congressmen who authored the wonderful Medicare legislation…


I’m over at the coast trying to see these gray whales who shouldn’t be here in August. Not normal since it’s in the winter they come around. Nobody knows for sure " why " they’re liking it here or seem to want to linger, or perhaps, stay. Not the smartest marine biologists have figured it out. Maybe gray whales are Bernie fans, too. Hanging out and hanging on in spite of the " sharpest knives in the drawer " and the mainstream memes of " why are you here, exactly " and " what do you want, exactly " being so perplexed. USAins must know everything, I guess. Will this phenomena last through the winter and into the spring? Cynics, skeptics and linear thinkers will knee-jerkedly say, " not a chance in hell " , of course. Religious fanatics will say, " it’s the end times or some such bullxhit. " I just want to see them and it’s mostly for my own selfish reasons. I just love whales, in and out of their normal patterns; it is what it is in this case. Bob Dylan said, " not much is really sacred "but I don’t know that he’s seen these whales, either.


"Right now it does look like Hillary is on her way to the predicted victory.{

Which would definitely mean a victory for the GOP!


ctrlz, The thing about your Pollyannaish analysis is that it fits the definition of insanity–doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different outcome.
LIke the famous recurring series in the old Peanuts cartoon where Lucy is holding the football and urging Charlie Brown to kick it, only to pull it away and leave ol’ Charlie flying through the air and landing on his backside with a thud, the vested money interests are beckoning the US citizenry onward to engage themselves in an election process that is a rigged game.
The candidate with the greatest honey pot of money will win. (Trump, like ol’ jug eared Ross Perot 23 years ago doesn’t count but will be tolerated for entertainment value and then disappeared from public consciousness at the time and in the manner of organized money’s choosing,
The most financially endowed candidates this time around are Hillary and JEB!. One of them (probably JEB! because it’s his party’s turn) will win.
It hasn’t been about the individuals running for office for decades now. How else do you think that the likes of Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, the entire Bush clan, Clinton and Barack Obama could become president?
Bernie will get his speech at the Democratic convention and then reciprocate and in a grand gesture of party unity do a Dennis Kucinich and get behind Hillary as the lesser of two evils. Bernie will get to see the nation on his campaign tours, write a book, maybe even a made for TV movie or Front Line documentary on PBS and then will fade into the background.
All of that is yet to happen though, so put your “Go Bernie Go” poster next to your “OXI” anti-austerity button, and enjoy the operatic melodrama of US elections as they unfold yet again. It sure beats being bored with the dog days of August.


Gore Vidal also championed the idea of placing a “none of the above” option on all ballots as a way to participate and object to the non-choice most election contests present.


Poet, let’s say you’re right and the outcome of the Presidential campaign will come down to whoever has the most cash.

Fine. Send the Progressive candidate some cash.

Let’s say you’re right and Bernie’s loss is preordained.

Don’t you think it’s useful to let the American people know there are other values than those pushed by the oligarchs? Values and policies that will help them? And informing them about oligarchy?

“”[W]e are moving rapidly away from our democratic heritage into an oligarchic form of society," Sanders said. “Today, the most serious problem we face is the grotesque and growing level of wealth and income inequality. This a profound moral issue, this is an economic issue and this is a political issue.”"

Bernie on Oligarchy

So Poet, even if you’re right about the system and outcome, you’re wrong in your conclusion about progressive support for Sanders. At this point supporting Bernie the best way of getting our voices heard.


Just electing a new president, even if he/she is of, by and for the people will not get much done in Washington DC. Even if Bernie Sanders turns out to be the President that many people where hoping and wishing Slick Oily would have been. He will get nothing done until the amerikan people also elect a congress and senate willing to change things. Sending the same people to DC year after year and expecting change is delusional! Everybody likes to think that it’s everybody else’s elected representatives who are the problem. Well it is everybody’s elected officials that are the problem and they need to go, if you expect to see any substantial change in Washington DC! The same needs to happen at the state and local level, in all 50 states, if we are to see real change!


This is feel good claptrap as any objective study of US history would confirm. The past 240 years of the American Republic (now–like the corrupt Rome after which it was modeled–become an empire) never was, is not now, nor will it ever be a “democracy”. The idea of “democracy” though is a useful notion to keep the masses busy on the fools errand of trying to make it happen. In the US money talks and you know the rest. No emptier a suit than Calvin Coolidge spoke a profound truth when he said: “the business of America is business”.
Like professional sports, classic opera, the soaps, the twitterverse, and facebook, elections are a useful outlet for the passions of the masses as a way to dissipate the energies that would otherwise explode into violence. As such they are helpful for maintaining a kind uneasy societal stasis.
Let’s say your (and many other CD reader’s) fondest dream comes true and Bernie is elected president. Let’s say further that (unlike the present incumbent in the White House) Bernie actually keeps his promises and tries to do what he has proposed for the country ( a left wing “contract for America”).
Assuming he isn’t assassinated, how much will he be able to do with the clown posse which comprises both houses of the US congress?
Do you really think that the security state establishment will snap crisp salutes, and say “aye, aye sir”?
Do you really think the media establishment will not begin (on orders from their commercial patrons)to undermine any credibility Bernie has left?
He will be “too white”, “too Jewish”, “too New Yawk Yankee”, and maybe even Bob “Dull” (the '96 Republican candidate remember?) will be propped up on a platform to pronounce Bernie “liberal, liberal, liberal”.
You can call it cynical, bitter, or any other pejorative you wish, but to do so is to ignore the weight of 240 years (by the next election anyway) of US history.


The longest journey begins with a single step.


In order to get the 4.7% margin of error the poll would have about 453 respondents, not much by poll standards. In order to get the commonly reported margin of error of 3% there would have to be at least 1112 respondents, a more costly option than the present poll. Also to record the margin of error with precision 4.7% is perhaps mathematically correct but 4.7% is actually .047, and such precision in the thousandths digit is totally unrealistic and is intended to lull the reader into thinking the poll is highly accurate.


Yes. Richard Semour’s The Liberal Defense of Murder is useful, too. You can hear an interview with the author, here. Search for the two appearances of that book title in that page.

Another useful book is Jean Bricmont’s Humanitarian Imperialism: Using Human Rights to Sell War


Claptrap is an understatement about your jaded definition of our " history ". It is the last 40 years of regression that is being argued and fought for, here. Your utopian dreams, notwithstanding, there has been progress since the 1600s in the U.S. And, there will be much more. It is the only way out of our current mess. Only the 1%ers and their Police and Security States will align together. That’s not how it works when your outnumbered. Just ask Custer!


Yes on Seymour. Your memory is serving. Get in the groove though, and it starts to move …


mrsannhits -

Meanwhile Poet conveniently ignores Teddy Roosevelt breaking up the Standard Oil Trust and also creating various regulatory agencies like the FDA. He ignores what FDR did for the little guy during the depression that insignificant little thing called Social Security. Poet ignores all the progress that gets made ‘since the 1600’s’. Democracy is a work in progress. It has ups and downs. Bush /Cheney was a grievous blow but here we have a chance to improve the state of our democracy and poet wants to… POUT.

Nothing constructive but lots of defeatism and fatalism and of course cynical apathy. Poet wants to announce a POUT and tell us why we should give up and complain and pout too. To poet…that is being a person of significance.

Altogether now!!! 1, 2, 3, 4… what are we pouting for - don’t ask me I don’t give a damn.

Democracy is a joke says cynical Poet. Don’t do anything, don’t bother trying to make it better, just complain and remember people …take Poet’s advice >>> only pouting really matters.


Harry Truman wasn’t the only one to try to justify
a nuclear first strike. Two examples:
The U.S. under Eisenhower offered the Atom
Bomb to the French to use at Dien Bien Phu. France declined.
Jon Shalikashvili, one of Bill Clinton’s Joint Chiefs, and advisor to John Kerry’s campaign:


"World news
Pre-emptive nuclear strike a key option, Nato told

Ian Traynor in Brussels
Tuesday 22 January 2008 03.21 EST
The west must be ready to resort to a pre-emptive nuclear
attack to try to halt the “imminent” spread of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, according to a radical manifesto for a new Nato by five of the west’s most senior military officers and strategists.
Calling for root-and-branch reform of Nato and a new pact drawing the US, Nato and the European Union together in a “grand strategy” to tackle the challenges of an increasingly brutal world, the former armed forces chiefs from the US, Britain, Germany, France and the Netherlands insist that a “first strike” nuclear option remains an “indispensable instrument” since there is “simply no realistic prospect of a nuclear-free world”.

The manifesto has been written following discussions with active commanders and policymakers, many of whom are unable or unwilling to publicly air their views. It has
been presented to the Pentagon in Washington and to Nato’s secretary general, Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, over the past 10 days. The proposals are likely to be discussed at a Nato summit in Bucharest in April. “The risk of further [nuclear] proliferation is imminent and, with it, the danger that nuclear war fighting, albeit limited in scope, might become possible,” the authors argued in the 150-page blueprint for urgent reform of Western military strategy and structures. “The
first use of nuclear weapons must remain in the quiver of escalation as the ultimate instrument to prevent the use of weapons of mass destruction.”
The authors - General John Shalikashvili, the former chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff and Nato’s ex-supreme commander in Europe, General Klaus Naumann, Germany’s former top soldier and ex-chairman of Nato’s military committee, General Henk van den Breemen, a
former Dutch chief of staff, Admiral Jacques Lanxade, a former French chief of staff, and Lord Inge, field marshal and ex-chief of the general staff and the defence staff in the UK - paint an alarming picture of the threats and challenges confronting the west in the post-
9/11 world and deliver a withering verdict on the ability to cope."

Yes, “Democrats” as well as Republicans. Check
out GlobalResearch.ca and others about NATO’s
maneuvers in N.E.Europe. Gorbachev, the Pope,
and many other notables have warned that the
world faces TWIN dangers of extinction: Nuclear
War as well as Climate Change.
BOTH corporate parties value competitiveness
and the Profit System no matter the cost in lives,
whether human, animal, plant…extinction.
Both parties serve the 1%, and must be removed from power if we value life on earth.
I liked Bernie Sanders until recently. He is good
on a bunch of domestic issues, but terrible on
some very bloody foreign issues,(Israel, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Ukraine- (Search Victoria Nuland on Youtube.) and is violating a socialist principle (class collaboration) by
pulling people back into a capitalist party, and
pledging to back whoever wins the primary-
Hillary, Biden, David Duke? A real socialist would do the opposite: build a socialist, or at
least a non-corporate party like the Green Party.


Why is it then that third parties never catch on? Yet everybody in America has heard of them? It isn’t something new. To hear advocates like yourself it seems like something is holding third parties back? Some grand conspiracy or some monstrous plot?

How about that people aren’t interested in having the cart before the horse? Americans see how difficult it is to get any sort of progressive minded person elected and aren’t fooled by third party fantasies of mass support that just isn’t out there. If it was out there then there would be a third party wouldn’t there? Then that third party horse would pull the cart and get someone elected. Instead third party advocates stubbornly insist that doing the hard work between elections to build a third party isn’t required and every four years they get together in small groups and get fervent and intense… it is almost a joke to people.

The biggest problem third party advocates face is their own lack of credibility about just how much they really believe what they themselves are saying… when it isn’t an election year.

Build the third party and then try to run a candidate. At the moment the strategy is to run a candidate and hope that they will create a third party (almost out of thin air). As if winning an election against such massive money and oligarchic power were all that easy.

BTW. If Bernie wins the chances of a third party getting created become more plausible as the progressive side of the coin gets a turn at establishing policy and setting the trend. Less oligarchy more democracy strengthens the eventuality of a third party. Changing Citizen’s United and restoring fair election funding for all candidates also makes a third party more plausible in the future.

So if you want a third party - vote for Bernie and you’ll stand a much better chance of getting one someday.