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Biden and Trump Exchange Exposes Political Arena's Commitment to Toxic Masculinity


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Biden and Trump Exchange Exposes Political Arena's Commitment to Toxic Masculinity

Jon Queally, staff writer

A former vice president threatens to beat up the current president—or at least fantasizes about doing so back when the two septuagenarians were back in high school and buffed out like teenage jocks.

So the current president fires back, saying the former vice-president would lose and "go down hard and fast."

But what are these two grown men fighting over?

Women, of course. One threatening to defend the dignity of women from a man intent on assaulting them. And the other defending, it seems, his right to sexually assault women.


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Rather than focus on one personality or the other, let’s talk about the toxic masculinity thing. I have little chance of getting within arm’s reach of either Biden or djt, but I deal with toxic masculinity every day. Yes, in the political arena, but in almost every facet of my life. Let’s address that issue.

A corporate AA instructor once pointed out (as the group had just demonstrated) that those who share experiences of op/repression readily recognize each other as members of a group and identify with each other’s experiences. Those in the oppressor class, however, speak of those who’ve committed offenses as bad apples. Thus, it’s not a bit surprising that @Dan_Harris, apparently male, should jump in here to berate one man and proclaim he’ll never “let him anywhere near a young girl.” You’re doing the same thing djt did in his tweet: ‘I’m a real man. I’ll protect the weaker sex from you.’ How about just raising young girls to own their bodies and feel empowered to tell men to keep their paws to themselves.


#6

Because I’m a woman? You may not have noticed, but I’m one of those feeling pretty damned empowered. I don’t need your pity or any man’s defense of me. I chased my first asshole out of Radio City Music Hall when I was 13, by simply demanding loudly that he keep his hands to himself. And yes, then I switched seats with a male member of my group who’d already had his growth spurt most of the way to 6 ft. But the one who’d been fingering my thigh was long gone.


#8

This is why I hope Elizabeth Warren runs for president and becomes the first female president in US history. Biden is a Democratic Party insider. The Democratic Party supporting Biden for the 2020 presidential election makes as much since as running another party insider, Hillary Clinton in 2016. This evolved into the lowest voter turn out in 70 years. It would have been different if the Democrats had run Bernie Sanders. At least that is what the polls demonstrated back then, that Bernie would have won over Trump in the general election. But the Democratic Party went with Hillary, a party insider.

CNN poll: Trump trails Sanders, Biden, Oprah in 2020 matchups
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/politics/2020-trump-biden-sanders-winfrey/index.html


#10

Joe Biden as the the white knight, saving nearly 25-30 women from a sexual predator black knight in Trump, is the magic stuff of Hollywood and TV screendom. Since it could only happen in the movies; did you see the size of Trump’s bodyguards, it’s perfect for contemporary political theatre, too. These two could go all fake WWF on an electorate yearning for distractions and, base their entire campaigns on The Big Throwdown Showdown in November. Vegas like and Pay-per-View only on that Cha-Ching Tuesday would make Floyd Meriwether jealous, without a doubt.
Only women could attend the pre-premier screenings ( debates ) and act as judges. Handing the Oscar, and Presidency, over to the mythical Best Male In A Fight Fantasy For Wooing A Patty Pure-Heart. Since hanky panky wouldn’t be allowed, bling and hankies, anyone?
Though, Joe " Glass Jaw " Biden would no doubt be the sentimental favorite, let’s not forget that 52-53% of white good christiany women went for the dark knight, in the first made-for-TV flick. Maybe Clint Eastwood was the uncredited Executive Producer on that one? Oh, sweet and charming chivalry is not dead, after all. But this silliness and all these distractions and stunts, certainly kill most everything they touch, real or not.
Just keep saying to yourself, " It’s only a movie, it’s only a movie ".


#11

Hate to say this, but old men and their old frameworks (read–“throwbacks to medieval attitudes”) have got to go-- and be replaced by individuals who are actually functioning in the 21st century. So over these old farts. Blech.


#12

Clueless bozos, both.


#13

Will someone please tell both of these prehistoric politicians to Retire, before somebody does it for them.


#14

If it’s Biden v. Trump in 2020, then I question the validity of bothering with future elections.


#15

It’s toxic masculinity that does that.


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I just wish you’d read the article, or even the headline. That’s where “toxic masculinity” came from. And silly me, I’d guessed that Jon Queally might be male himself.

You again are trying to argue that djt and Biden are bad boys, and it’s nothing to do with their being men and talking about how they would like to protect women, who are presumed incapable of protecting ourselves. My “them” are the men who think we are prey who, if the speaker isn’t a predator himself, need protection from predators. My “us” is women who claim our own agency and need neither protection nor pity.


#18

If it’s Biden versus Trump in 2020, I am moving to Holland.


#20

You might want to order new luggage. MSM is already pushing Biden.


#21

Good idea. Put them in the ring and the winner gets to blow up the earth.


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Sorry, those videos are just feeding toxic masculinity; how do you suppose they get made? I did not use any kind of violence at Radio City, just exposed the jerk (socially) and removed myself from his reach.

And what on earth does it mean to be “advanced upon in a molesting fashion”? Sounds like soft porn to me, staged for your amusement. If you’d been a woman making her way around the world, you’d know how subtle most approaches really are, how difficult it is to know when to react. And you’d be burdened by being raised to be polite and not make a scene (the Mormons call it “keeping sweet”). That guy in Radio City had touched me at least 4 times before I was convinced it wasn’t accidental and got up the nerve to make him stop.

Watch a few of the shows about addiction, including food addiction to the point of supermorbid obesity. Count up how many of the subjects, especially the women, talk about escaping the pain from being molested, or in the obese, specifically, consciously making themselves physically repulsive so nobody else would bother them. That’s not so amusing to men, but it’s reality for too many women. I was once trapped in a taxi, en route from airport to the conference where my boss was about to give a speech, dressed up to be professional, and subjected to the driver’s telling me what a lucky man my husband was. Along with wondering whether he would actually deliver me to the conference, my mind raced with how I could make myself less attractive (and I was in my 40s, never seen as a beauty). Toxic masculinity particularly preys on those of us who they guess are not used to the attention, 13yos with frizzy hair and glasses in a darkened theater, or middle-aged women who’ve sort of gotten it together and achieved responsible careers, but can be reduced to quivering jelly by a stranger speaking inappropriately from the driver’s seat of a car. Martial arts wouldn’t have done me any good that day either.


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Seriously? Some people actually do believe that Biden is going to be candidate Biden for president? I am in full doubt of that possibility, and have NO inclination to encourage such a preposterous thought. This is dreaming, sheer dreaming. No one wants to be bothered with JOE running for any office any more. He is done. He had his chance. There were many moments when he could have done the country good. It’s over. Let it be. This kind of interview buzz word posturing to act like he has any power over bluster orange aid is a waste of his energy. No one could be Less masculine than bluster orange aid and no one should bother speaking of him in such terms. He is a danger to our nation, and the only way to deal with him is to indict him, put him behind bars, and leave him there. Bluster orange aid has had his fun, he’s made millions off of the stupidity of the global community. Now we need to provide him with a jail cell, and forget about him. It’s in the best interest of the world.


#25

If you know anything whatsoever about Biden, you find his comments quite
contrary to his behavior…

This is the Joe Biden who as Senator rigged the Clarence Thomas Hearings to
ensure that the more than a dozen women who would have confirmed for the
nation that Clarence Thomas was a pervert and sexual harasser of women would
not get an opportunity to testify at the Hearings – and to the nation watching via C-span.

Even other members of Senate/USHR evidently weren’t told about these witnesses –
Sen. Paul Simon later said that “had the Congress/Senate known, Clarence Thomas
would not be on the Supreme Court.”

Additionally –

Former Joe Biden Secret Service Agent: We Had to Protect Women From Him, ‘Weinstein Level Stuff’

This is the same Joe Biden who seems not to be able to keep his hands off of the children at the Dem Swearing-In Ceremonies which were being taped by C-span at the time and shown live.
There are a large number of them which can be found at YouTube …
Here are the two most painful ones to watch –

Two young Asian girls - sisters.


#27

We’re not here to discuss self-defense; the topic is the swaggering about who can beat up whom. And the toxicity is a modifier of “masculinity,” indicating that masculinity isn’t necessarily toxic. Only when it goes past any kind of humanity.

“Defend yourself” also needs some definition. I think I defended myself quite effectively in the Radio City moment by simply speaking up and putting a barrier between me and the seat where the guy had been. Yes, the barrier was a bigger, male body, but I didn’t have to ask Bill to whup anyone’s ass, only to sit there. He didn’t even know, until the movie was over and we talked, why I’d asked him to move.

But yes, it’s usually toxic masculinity that thinks you’re doing someone else a favor by whuppin’ his ass. That’s exactly what Biden and djt were on about, except they were imagining defending women in general, which adds a whole extra layer of toxicity.

All that said, I’m very sorry to hear of the bullying you suffered. You too have been a victim of toxic masculinity. I hope you can work on the toxins and be more comfortable with your masculinity, unless of course you find yourself somewhere else along the gender spectrum. But let’s not bring that into it.


#28

Yes, when I think of Biden versus Trump in a 2020 presidential election, I think of a macho man, bombast contest. Whomever has the most hot air wins? I just have to think briefly to remember Hillary running for president in 2016 as a Democratic Party insider. I don’t think that excited enough Americans to show up at the ballot boxes and even vote. That was the lowest voter turn out in 70 years.

And now it feels like the Democrats are becoming more Republicanish because the Republicans won control of both congress and the white house. Biden will need to address that issue. Most Americans I believe will be disappointed in a choice between a Republican Party and a Republicanish Party. If this happens we are looking at the possibility of another election with many if not most of us feeling alienated and not bothering to show up at the ballot boxes (once again) in 2020.

I think the Democrats need to go back to the Obama game plan and run more non white candidates. Are we forgetting Obama won two terms in office and if he could have run against Trump he would have been get his third term in office. Hillary didn’t stimulate enough non white votes and Biden will most likely also not stimulate enough non white votes. Will the Democrats once again break the 70 year old record record for voters not showing up to vote?