I have the same bible-thumping, hate-filled relatives. But I also know a number of people who voted for Trump, that are able to consider a different position. Those people are worth talking to.
This is the part I’ll quibble with. Keep voting LOTE and we’ll stay in this place.
I, too, thought I’d made a well thought out decision over many years.
Then I took a hard look at the results.
Thanks for the illuminating info. again, I wasn’t sure exactly what had transpired at the time, just seem to remember that there was some negative movement under Obama regarding further attacking social Security. In light of his other right wing actions such as permanent banking subsidies, whistleblower persecution, and assaults on human rights and individual liberties, and his pro-war and drone assassination tendencies, I guess I just put him together with the rest of the republicans.
You’re doing a fine job of dealing with reality. Many of us had to struggle to vote for Clinton for the same reason we have a hard time now voting for Biden.
If you don’t want trump for four more long, long years there is only one choice. All other choices fail the test.
Calling out Biden is fine for other things, we just need to vote for him, and it sucks for many of us.
Yep, definitely a moderate Repub. That’s Obama.
But another quibble: He didn’t make banking subsidies permanent. The Federal Reserve did that long ago. The Fed hands out the money supply by “loaning” it to 18 large banks at a very low interest rate, then those 18 loan it out to corporations and people like us at a higher interest rate, thereby guaranteeing a steady income stream. Obama’s team/party did, however, oversee the TBTF banks getting even bigger. Not exactly a champion of the little guy, Obama.
Yes. I believe you and I have commiserated more than once over our Trump loving relatives if I am not mistaken. It’s the itchy rash that you think you tamped down and then it comes roaring back to drive you crazy.
I assumed most of my Trumper relatives and in-law relatives, who seemed to vote for Tdump because 1. They were mindlessly Repubs who just pulled the party lever no matter what and 2. Because they were just fed up with a few things a little racist and xenophobic… And would by now have recognized what a grotesque mistake it was and however Sick at their stomach reluctantly pulled the Biden lever.
But alas our last Zoom family gatherings With both sides of the fam disabused me of that notion.
They are still, to a person, on the Trump train and eager to ride… To my query, fool that I am, about how they felt about the Trump administration’s virus handling and that 5 close family members ( all right there on the screen) were teachers.
The consensus among the ‘elders‘ and non teachers was: ”well, life is a risk. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow” and “teachers are lazy and just don’t want to work“. That’s not a paraphrase…
I texted a nephew we are quite close to and frankly asked him how it felt to have his own mom say she essentially doesn’t give a damn if he and his also a teacher wife dies or has permanent health issues from contracting COVID19 And also that she thinks they are ‘lazy’.( I assure you they are NOT). He’s a happy guy and loves his job, his kids, wife and his classroom kids and is really good to his parents( my spouse’s sister) . He said he has talked to her and his dad until he is blue in the face and has said , in confidence, that his Trump loving sister can take care of them now If something happens. I I fear a lot more family drama to come as my daughter and spouse are educators and I can only keep my mouth shut for so long hearing their aunts and uncles and grandparents tell them to effectively ‘just die lazy bums…
Spouse and I had already removed ourselves a few steps for ‘doing for ‘ my in-laws over their unremitting enthusiasm for everything Trump. As my nephew said, let their Teimp loving kids start stepping up ( which they won’t ).
Imagine, people choosing a creature like Trump, who would push them all off a cliff without a second thought over close family … boggles my mind every day…
Sorry for yet another rant. This whole Trump and family thing rankles me to my core…Actually to be honest, it really just hurts me And my spouse deeply…
I agree, too bad I do not know any.
Don’t forget Tank,that one of the first actions Obama took as president was to declare a tax holiday on the payroll tax that funds Social Security and Medicare, the same thing that progressives and Democrats are now condemning Trump for and accusing him of “defunding” Social Security… Of course when Obomber did it, it was acclaimed as a tax cut for working people…
I respect that Skep. You know I do. We agree on a lot.
I am coming from the place of voting third party since I, for better or worse, cast my vote for John Anderson in 1980. And have voted Third parties ever since especially in every Presidential election since 1980 ( I did vote for Carter in ‘76)
I have decided on voting for Biden from that history. Presidential elections, I have come reluctantly to believe, will never be won by a third or fourth alternative Party UNTIL we put more people from third parties in local, state and US Congress seats. My spouse and I have busted our behinds for decades trying to get local third party candidates elected to these more local offices . We have gotten very close of late but never succeeded on even getting a State Rep or State Sen elected. We did get a working family party on our town council one of the places we lived a while back but he failed to get into higher office In several all out trys .
It’s a frustrating and dangerous time. We all reason the best as we see it I hope.
Oh yes, to appeal to r-party congresspersons, Obama included all kinds of tax cuts in his far-too-paltry stimulus bill. He was all bi-partisan like with his delusional “there are no red states or blue states” blather, which I actually think he believed at the time. Of course, we know he was an idiot to believe that bullshit.
Because every r-party congressperson voted in lockstep against Obama’s Republican-friendly legislation.
Which is a point I try to make around here consistently: If you’re going to pass legislation, shoot for the moon instead of watering it down in an effort to compromise. Because only one party is stupid enough to fall for the compromise rhetoric, the other party is ruthless. And let’s see, has the country moved right or left over the last four decades? I’m thinking…I’m using my calculator…yeah, it was rightward.
As I say to all the LOTE voters here: Thanks for the RomneyCare.
I share your frustration.
Mine too; especially the evangelical, Bible Thumpers. One has to wonder how in the hell they can support a man that is a pathological liar; a man with no morals who commits adultery; has friends like Jeffery Epstein; screws porn stars; and even raped a woman in the woman’s dressing room in a New York! Yes just mind boggling …to say the least!
Obama was a corporatist, and so is Biden.
You get what you vote for.
Indeed. Vote for what you believe and not only do you lose, but you are inevitably accused of supporting the bad guy because you voted your conscience instead of caving in.
Then of course, if you compromise your principles and vote for the LOTE, they take that as confirmation that this is what the majority wants, that is, to keep moving steadily to the right.
I’m not clever enough to know what to do next when faced with impossibility.
You can’t do it in one step. It takes two.
First get majority control of your State’s legislature and executive.
End your dilemma for all time by enacting Ranked Choice Voting.
Okay, didn’t realize it was so easy. I’ll do it as soon as this hockey game ends…
Can’t argue with that.
years ago I read an interesting report by Matt Tabbi that I was referring to in the previous comment / great article outlining how the so called bail out created a permanent bailout for big banks / I just conflate that to be a subsidy.
Thanks Robin; that Matt Taibbi report Secrets and Lies of the Bailout
detaining the "$700 billion in taxpayer money to rescue Wall Street from its own chicanery and greed" should be required reading.
" The Greenwood became the outlaw’s friend, the orphan boys now welcoming us, No tax, no tithes, nobody rich, nobody poor, fair shares for all at natures table; many wrongs to be righted in the country of King John " - Marian
But Clinton signed us into the WTO - and its GATS, the real threat, the roots of all the problems. We’re falling for a huge scam. the two parties are colluding to hide that they are fake.