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Despite Some Losses for Progressives, 'Fantastic Night for Centrists' Framing Misses the Point of What's Happening Inside Democratic Party


#65

In the Ohio 12th Primary all 1200 Greens are purists. That leaves about 201,000 voters casting ballots who aren’t. 100, 000 of them are Democrats in the 68th most Republican Congressional District in the U.S. That’s a big deal, actually. A huge uptick in the ( D ) column.
The Greens, on the other hand, got .6% of the vote and they’re going to kick some real ass as soon as their Mom & Dad get home from work. Wow! Be afraid, be very afraid.


#66

One take away from these elections is that there needs to be a positive goal such as increased minimum wage, health care for everyone, education for those who want it regardless of their ability to pay, increased taxes on the people who benefit the most from our society, etc. Just being against the kleptocrats presently in DC isn’t enough. We need to be proactive in everything because playing defense all the time is just playing catchup, and that is a losing proposition.


#67

In your attack on the Greens, you failed to state how indebted your party is to Trump. Without him, your party might have to run on a policy or something. That was a glaring omission.

So go ahead, mrsann, say it: We don’t suck as much as Trump. So don’t pick big tent A, pick big tent B.

I’m just amazed that party ID and voter turn out are where they’re at. Just amazed.


#68

Watch out for centrists coming out of the woodwork, trying to reclaim territory lost to the progressive wing in the Democratic party. To wit, Obama, after a deafening silence over eight odd years, after appointing two disastrous DNC Chairpersons, after monstrous losses to GOP at all levels of government, including both Houses, now coming out to ‘endorse’ 80 odd candidates.

His so-called ‘transformational’, yet mostly identity-based candidacy, slickly sold and quickly reneged, turned off legions of young new party recruits, saddled the Democrats with an anemic philosophy, and the country with indecent wealth distribution thus laying the groundwork for Trump. On the other hand, everyone above a certain paid scale did make a lot of money, himself included. Better he just continues to fade into irrelevance.


#69

Who constantly attacks whom, on CD? Give me a break; you’re joking, right?
As to policy differences between the two major parties; I’d remind GPers of the old saw, " a nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse ".
Willful blindness, overt and misleading verbal agitprop resembling Right Wing memes ( such as there’s no difference between Sen. John Tester v. Sen. Orrin Hatch ) and political blustering hardly constitute real power accounting for .6% of the vote in the Ohio 12th Special Election. It’s a joke ( Little Joey & Patriot Prayer/Proud Boys got 2.3% ) and I have to remind CDers that I voted for Dr. Stein, as the best candidate in 2016. However, I’m committed to using an inside/outside strategy to gain a real foothold in the national conversation. As such, Sen. Sanders and the Ocasio-Cortez’ unification moves, are fine with me since they represent progressive political momentum.


#70

your assumption that moderate Democrats vote the same as Republicans is totally wrong. On issues such as net neutrality, reproductive freedom, labor rights, voting rights, gay rights, tax policy, climate change, public lands, transit, clean water, wildlife… almost all Democrats vote very differently than Republicans and hardly different from the “progressive” Democrats, the distinction is exaggerated by the Republicans, some trolling as leftists, to try to split the resistance. For example, if the “moderate” Democrat for Michigan Governor was endorsed by labor and Emily’s list, besides ethnic differences (and why should anyone care about that), what separated the progressive from the moderate??


#71

Your interpretation of Democratic party history is inaccurate or more precisely a pack of lies. After 12 years of Republican rule Democrats chose a motor mouth grifter from Arkansas who only won because Ross Perot entered the race and siphoned off votes from the elder Bush. When things got tough the Clintons easily sold out the unions, workers, progressives, New Deal Democrats for Wall Street money and political gain for themselves and the party has never been the same since.


#72

It’s a bit scary reading many of the comments. As a Canadian, the mess in your country seems so dreadful, that we want to believe the progressive left is mobilizing. But on this feed I find more of that cynical ‘none of the above’ that depresses me in our own politics.

So many smart no it alls…(homonym error intendede)…who ‘don’t like anybody very much’. And I’m pretty sure donate neither time, money or support to the more progressive candidates. It’s as if your entire country was asleep at the wheel for the last 40 years, as neo-liberal capitalists seized power…and now, having been forced awake, most are more in the mood to trash everything, than take any responsibility for where money driven dreams have taken your country.

Pretty scary…even from a distance. And how about all those wild fires burning around the planet? Your alt right Christians getting excited about that ‘fire next time’ scenario???


#73

It’s all scary right now.


#74

It’s truly newsworthy and exciting when progressives upset the establishment candidates - because the latter have all the advantages of money, name recognition, establishment support, often incumbents or former elected officials, and…more money.

Given that very many, if not most, Party regulars are Party first people (often just as lazy & shallow as their corresponding partisans in the GOP) , any progressive, especially a newcomer, knows full well that they will run as a dark horse.

More often than not, the advantaged favorite will win - a large enough plurality will go with the “favorite” simply because they are that. The issues and positions so often therefore take a back seat.

I can’t even begin to count the number of times I heard people, in 2016, say, “I like Bernie better, but I feel I should go with a winner” (i.e. The one they perceived as ahead or advantaged.) Following that “logic”, many cast their votes for HRC, believing the media chorus that said the general electorate would never vote for a “Socialist”. Of course they also had to ignore all the data and evidence that made it clear that HRC would be a risky gamble…a crap-shoot, while Sanders would win in a landslide.

But for anyone to suggest from the “centrist” victories any inference that progressives can’t win is sheer nonsense. The former are expected to win - the odds and circumstances mightily favor them in any primary. A general election is much much different. The nation as a whole is crying for change - and very many will not simply go back to the same- old same- old.


#75

Can’t speak for others, but I’m one you might accuse of being a progressive puritan. And I donate, time, money, energy and more to progressives. I was one; have recruited, mentored, and helped get elected many others.

And, after 11 Presidential elections, having always dutifully voted for lessers-of-evil while holding my nose, I now see the state of the world - with even more problems than you quickly note - and I realize that such “incrementalism”, fortress (neo) liberalism and willingness to accept these, have only served to enable the DP to move yet further to the right, towards increased control by private capital interests - while I now must contemplate the existential crises that humanity as a whole never before really had to contemplate (and I lived through the Cuban missile crisis… it doesn’t even begin to compare in scope).

So maybe you can understand it when I say there is no longer the luxury of simply playing around the margins. If we don’t offer real alternatives that can literally change directions in a hurry, we’re all screwed. Especially our kids & grandkids.


#76

I hear you…and can’t fault your logic. Things may seem a bit better in Canada…we’ve had social democrats in power and won some good things like single payer medical care…but as far as the two main line parties, its the same old ‘sharing of power’…where in actuality, its big money that runs the show.

And the great mother seems intent now on shaking us off her back like the vermin we often are. Yes. We stay active, continue to resist madness like bitumen pipelines, etc, primarily for the grandkids…five of them, and all lovely, deserving of a better world than we seem intent on leaving them.

Be well.


#77

Yes, at times Canada does seem like it would be a breath of fresh air. Then I consider Trudeau, the pipelines, fossil fuels and the future; and realize that private capital has its clutches everywhere.

At such times I’m relieved that I don’t have kids or grandkids to worry about, but that’s really little comfort, as we’re all in this together… we’re as connected to the future as to the past, even if we haven’t ourselves reproduced; and so I can’t stop trying to turn the ship to a safer course. Good luck to you, sister.
~Roger