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'Does Anyone Think That's a Bad Thing?': Leaked Zuckerberg Audio Suggests Warren Vow to Break Up Facebook Has Tech Giant Spooked

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/10/01/does-anyone-think-thats-bad-thing-leaked-zuckerberg-audio-suggests-warren-vow-break

“Echo Chamber Warren” strikes again!

https://conservativeandfree.com/2019/07/17/sanders-plans-to-break-up-google-amazon-and-facebook-if-elected/

*Disclaimer: This is from a neo-con site but the info is what I find relevant to my comment.

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Sounds very good. Glad to have this kind of dialogue going on in the public sphere.

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We do not need to “break up big tech,” we need to take these network utilities into PUBLIC OWNERSHIP, owned by the people and operated in the public interest, with straightforward definition of our data as OUR DATA, NOT owned by the utility, with strict prohibition of data-mining of OUR data.

Warren is, as she stated, “capitalist to the core.” We need to move beyond the rule of capital, which is what we suffer under today, and which is quite literally dismantling the ecology and claiming ownership over everything including life itself (patents on DNA and profit-driven bioengineering). We need the recognition, and the determination, to build the power and build a movement to do what is necessary to FIGHT CAPITAL and put it in its place.

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A good thing - and an even better thing to begin to break up monopolies.

LOVE, Bernie Sanders plan to tax the rich – anyone over $32 million would pay
taxes on their wealth!

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Warren is hitching another one of Bernie’s wagons to her own tractor. We can judge that in two ways.

  1. A good thing that they are on the same page regarding extreme wealth and influence.
  2. She is stealing Bernie’s thunder and claiming it as her own.
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Exactly so, Web! Tell it like it is! Eliminate the parasites (like that snot nosed punk) on society and turn them to the Common Good, don’t just “restructure” them!

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Very true!


Also, let’s not forget that Warren voted for the NDAA in 2018, a very unpatriotic vote…

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gand –

Agree with you –
and I wouldn’t argue with a Sanders/Warren ticket, though I don’t have the
confidence in her so many do.

Just as PS on the comment you replied to – we not only need to TAX the RICH …
we need to STOP taxing the poor. That is that we need a higher level of exemptions
from any taxes whatsoever. Granted, they loved doing that because it was a larger base
for taxing which they took advantage of. Raising even pennies from the poor is worthwhile
for them.

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No. 2: is she that stupid?

I a while ago we arrived at the point where “All’s fair” in politics, whether it truly is or not.
I’m not putting Warren down at all.
If she wants the grassroots, heart of the party, she has to attach to most of what Bernie supports.
A splitting up of the grassroots voters could be a bad thing though, or cause doubt for the voters, or both.

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Beside having a massively “urge-to-slap” face Zuckerberg infamously called the people who signed up for his FB pathetic suckers (not exact, just remembed the gist) which tells you a lot about his real attitude and what an all-time jerk he is. And now he is about to launch his own currency. Cripe.
And yes, break them up. Hell disband them and turn them into a public utility, as that is the mode they are operating as anyway and the niche they’ve wangled for themselves.

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“…and the band is going home, it’s raining hammers, it’s raining nails / and he knows there’s nothing left for him down here. / And it’s time, time time…” - Tom Waits

October 5th marks one year off of Facebook for me. It’s time, folks. Do it for the revolution.

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Yes, I agree wholeheartedly but in lieu of that if it doesn’t happen I will be more than happy to settle for breaking up Big Tech. And seeing the Zuck squirm would be sweet. (And yes I do use FB… to keep in touch with all the nieces and nephews and friend scattered across the globe.it works for me because that’s what the fam uses and is not interested in switching to other things… )

“we care about our country”

Stop it! Just stop it! You don’t give a damn about the country or you wouldn’t have published all the fake stories that got Phat Boy elected. You wouldn’t have given away all those people’s personal data. You wouldn’t refuse to take down false and inflammatory posts. You wouldn’t run your company the way you do.

If you get busted up, you have no one to blame but yourself. And there are still antitrust laws on the books against monopolies and their practice of using their power in one area to screw people over in another.

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It’s interesting. I’ve had to go to right wing sites too to try to see what’s going on (in my case, with the whole Trump/Ukraine/Biden/Crowdstrike issue).

What I want to know is, what about big telecom? It’s ATT, Verizon & Comcast who have taken Net Neutrality away from us:

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Warren was hired by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to do the bidding of the Too-Big-To-Fail (TBTF) banks.

The situation was analogous to the deregulation of Wall Street that Bill Clinton did with Robert Rubin in 2000. The negative effects of the deregulation were not felt until the George W. Bush administration but the legislation was passed by a Democratic administration.

The same thing happened with the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) to report into the private “Federal Reserve” owned by the same TBTF banks it purports to regulate. Pure regulatory capture. The Fed waited until the Trump administration to cut the legs out from under the CFPB by cutting its budget.

There were complaints this could happen when Warren was creating the CFPB but she ignored them and listened to the Citibank overlords who dictated Obama’s economic team. Warren was also the head of the TARP oversight committee which made sure no bankers were fired and they all got their bonuses.

Bad legislative track record makes me not trust her involvement in major regulation of social media.

In general social media has been a great way for intelligent Americans to bypass TV pundits and the mainstream media biases.

The worst thing that could happen is Warren promises to break up “Big Tech” and then turns around and regulates free speech on social media resulting in more censorship under the banner of “getting rid of fake news”.

She was born and raised Republican who generally look for a story they can all stick to.

In other words, bringing back George Orwell’s 1984.

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No. Absolutely not. We need to break them up. Government in control of the net is as dangerous as anything else. Our focus has to be on decentralized platforms. Facebook & Twitter ==> the Fediverse (Mastodon, Friendica, Hubzilla, etc.) We need multiple platforms that can communicate, that are easy to install on one’s own server, and which allow you to download you data and easily more it to another server if that’s what you want to do.

For services more broadly, you can start by to these radical servers.

Check in particular FramaSoft’s De-Googlify the Internet.

This is what is threatened by our loss of Net Neutrality. They will prioritize certain services (whether Facebook’s and Google’s or the nationalized version thereof) at the expense of those from small providers. And the wonder of the internet is, it’s easy for anyone to be a provider (as long as their capacity to broadcast on the net is not throttled).

PS. Also relevant comment by WantBernieInstead.

Yes, exactly. Please see my response to WebWalk.

The same thing happened with the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) to report into the private “Federal Reserve” owned by the same TBTF banks it purports to regulate. Pure regulatory capture. The Fed waited until the Trump administration to cut the legs out from under the CFPB by cutting its budget.

There were complaints this could happen when Warren was creating the CFPB but she ignored them and listened to the Citibank overlords who dictated Obama’s economic team. Warren was also the head of the TARP oversight committee which made sure no bankers were fired and they all got their bonuses.

If you have more I can read on this, I’d appreciate it. I need some ammunition in talking to Warren supporters.

We are in trouble when Sanders and Warren are competing with Trump for totalitarian diktats most totally barren of substance as well as constitutionality.