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'Enough is Enough': Rallies Nationwide Against Gun Violence and Hateful Rhetoric


#1

'Enough is Enough': Rallies Nationwide Against Gun Violence and Hateful Rhetoric

Jon Queally, staff writer

Shows of unity and community-led vigils organized by Planned Parenthood and their allies are being held nationwide on Saturday in response to recent high-profile massacres as well as the broader cultural crisis that matches the unchecked proliferation of guns and the epidemic of mass shootings with the ways in which hateful rhetoric aimed at specific groups of people is infecting life in the United States.


#2

So very glad to see something positive come from all this tragedy. It's past time people of good will joined hands and stood up to the negative forces that are ruining lives.


#3

Screw protests and rallies. These issues can only be resolved through a valid construct and functioning of the US voting sanctums. Democracy in whatever form it may still exist in the US is pathetic. I feel like I'm approaching a state much like that with which Dante was confronted as he viewed of the great abyss of the Inferno. He was greeted with "Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate", that is "Abandon all hope, you who enter here". I think its gone folks.


#5

There was a time, not so long ago ago, when a mass killing would result in many and long comments in many forums. Not so here....

So ... change is coming?


#7

I commend those participating in the rallies. They are bearing witness in a more public way than on venues such as this.


#8

The pain and suffering caused by violence is out of control. As I've written many times such depraved or just uncontrolled violence has many causes that must be delt with to transform our nation and the world. Many things and policies contribute to violence and violent behavior and what triggers violence and/or contempt for the lives of others. Until we accept and confront all the causes underlying "gun violence" we will never end the horror so many innocent people and families have felt.


#9

The only way to eradicate the causes of uncontrolled violence is to change society...period.

All too often, policies are put into place that attempt to treat the symptoms of ongoing, deeply-rooted and ingrained, age-old societal problems without really getting at and treating the root causes. In many ways, that's been disastrous, and has achieved little or nothing.


#10

Not that I like the idea of anybody getting killed, but it sounds as if that couple who committed many, if not most of the murders of abortion-rights advocates/Planned Parenthood workers, and then ended up getting killed themselves, in a shoot-out with police, ultimately got a taste of their own medicine, because it finally backfired on them. People who perpetrate violence often end up on the receiving end of it, as well.


#11

Your scenario works in both ways though, it cannot be just one-sided. America who is engaged in eternal often illegal wars kill many innocent people abroad and ultimately get the taste of their own medicine through those mass killings.


#12

Don't forget, however, that many Americans also get killed in the illegal, unnecessary and wrongheaded foreign wars that their government sends them out to fight. It's our government that sends American GI's to fight these illegal, wrongheaded wars, and we, as a society, get a taste of our own medicine by losing these men and women unnecessarily, if one gets the drift.


#13

We progressives need to be looking more carefully into how false some of these media narratives are. The California shooting story is coming apart. It is looking now like military-type men did the shootings (at least two witnesses to this) and what happened is being falsely pinned on a couple where the woman was too tiny to even be able to carry such a weapon and the guy has zero association to anything violent. Many of the shootings in the country have similar large holes in them as well, almost always blaming things on "patsies."

Why do we forget that the FBI is famous for setting up such things? in the King family's civil case, what came out of it was that MLK was killed by the US government, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a government lie, the attack on the Maine that started the Spanish American War has now been acknowledged to have been done by the US itself, most of the country no longer believes 9/11 was an "outside" job, Sandy Hook has been proven in court to not even be a functioning school in 2012 (it was closed in 2008). And photos of the shootings, are showing the same people in many of them.

At the Washington blog, there is an article that lists "42 ADMITTED False Flag Attacks." That's 42 times governments attacked their own people. And we know the US was involved in Gladio in Europe after WWII, doing repeated bombings and murders there to create a "strategy of tension" to control politics there.

Anyone have a sense of repeated attacks here? Anyone feeling any tension? Anyone feel caught in some escalating drama to scare the bejeesus out of us? Anyone feel pushed by media into "here's what happened" but without investigations happening first? Anyone remember being told about one second after 9/11 by Bush that it was Muslim terrorists but Bush blocking an investigation into it (the most serious attack in the world) for 2 years?

Something smells in all this. The attacks don't ring right. The media isn't acting right.


#14

On the other hand, we progressives also have to learn to take what we hear with a grain of salt, especially since there are a lot of crazy average laypeople who go around doing stuff like that. If John Loughner, and other crazy lone shooters go around shooting people out of craziness, what's so impossible about that couple going on a murdering spree and shooting people at a planned parenthood clinic. Also, any person of any size can carry large automatic weapons.


#15

I think it's obvious that change isn't going to come unless we find a way to regain control over our government and rescue ourselves from corporate-fascism.

But I think on the one hand the lack of response is coming from confusion over why this is being permitted to happen -- and on the other hand many questions about what is really happening.

We have a female shooter who advertised her allegiance to ISIS on Facebook?


#16

This is a liberal nation -- and the will of the people is being ignored.

the only way the right wing can rise is by deception -- violence --
false flag events, stealing elections, right wing propaganda of hate and lies.

That's why they have had to control and destroy our free press which has been going on since "Operation Mockingbird" was drafted two years before the end of WWII.

Nixon administration began the long siege on our publishing houses, magazines, periodicals.
And since then science.

See: Operation Mockingbird

Quote --1948, Frank Wisner was appointed director of the Office of Special Projects (OSP). Soon afterwards, OSP was renamed the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), which became the CIA's covert action branch. Wisner was told to create an organization that concentrated on "propaganda, economic warfare; preventive direct action, including sabotage, anti-sabotage, demolition and evacuation measures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-Communist elements in threatened countries of the free world".[2] Later that year, Wisner established Mockingbird, a program to influence foreign media. Wisner recruited Philip Graham from The Washington Post to run the project within the industry. According to Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great, "By the early 1950s, Wisner 'owned' respected members of The New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles."[3]

In 1951, Allen W. Dulles persuaded Cord Meyer to join the CIA. However, there is evidence that he was recruited several years earlier and had been spying on the liberal internationalist organizations he had been a member of in the late 1940s.[4] According to Deborah Davis, Meyer became Mockingbird's "principal operative."[5]

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#17

You said "there are a lot of crazy average laypeople who go around doing stuff like that." But the issue is whether it is lone crazy people are actually our own government or another country's government committing a false flag. That's why it's so great that so many people are looking carefully into the shootings and plane-downings.

While we are being pushed into fear by corporate media, if you look up who is mostly like to kill people in the US, terrorists hardly make the list. "You're More Likely to be Killed by a Toddler than a Terrorist" is an article on the insane inflation of fear we've been subjected to.

You might be interested in "Does Fear Lead to Fascism? A Culture of Fear and the Epigenetics of Terror" By John W. Whitehead

"We’re being fed a constant diet of fear: fear of terrorists, fear of illegal
immigrants, fear of people who are too religious, fear of people who are
not religious enough, fear of Muslims, fear of extremists, fear of the
government, fear of those who fear the government. The list goes on and
on.

"The strategy is simple yet effective: the best way to control a populace is through fear and discord.

"Fear makes people stupid. ....

"Even in the wake of the shootings in San Bernardino and Paris, statistics show that you are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack. You are 11,000 times more likely to die from an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane. You are 1,048 times more likely to die from a car accident than a terrorist attack. You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack. You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocating in bed than from a terrorist attack. And you are 9 more times likely to choke to death in your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack.

"Indeed, those living in the American police state are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist."

Whitehead quotes Dan Sanchez:

"Stop swallowing the overblown scaremongering of the government and its
corporate media cronies. Stop letting them use hysteria over small
menaces to drive you into the arms of tyranny, which is the greatest
menace of all."


#18

You might be interested in a recent book - interestingly banned by Amazon (which doesn't ban Mein Kampf) - called "No One Died at Sandy Hook" with a collection of articles by a series of Ph.Ds, debunking the government's and corporate media's story line about children and teachers being killed there. Because Amazon banned the book and yet it's obviously more than topical and could be incredibly important for people to read, the editor of the book decided to offer it for free as a download on the internet.

Or listen to Ole Dammegard talk about the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, John Lennon and more, and who was behind them all, yet each death blamed by government on "crazy average laypeople" (or racists, or lone nuts ....). And then the country is asked to "take with a grain of salt" those trying to say things are not what we are being told. Or worse than a grain of salt, asked to consider anyone questioning any of this as conspiracy theorists, when, actually, in 1967, the CIA invented the expression "conspiracy theory" specifically to demonize and isolate anyone questioning whether JFK was killed by a lone gunman or something more was going on.

The irony is that as much as it's grotesque to think our government is killing its own people and own presidents even, it's somehow better than thinking the whole world is full of "crazy average laypeople" who can at any moment go berserk. In starting to see governments behind so many of the attacks in the world, suddenly ordinary people start to look like decent ordinary people, just like us. And one starts to wonder about a very small number of people who design things like Gladio or write Operation Northwoods (with commentary at the website "What Really Happened"), suggesting the US military attack Americans. One begins to wonder where the real danger is coming from and how many of these false narratives have we fallen for while pushing for ever more draconian security laws from those actually attacking and terrorizing us?

Does this sound familiar?

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thusgiving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.
....

"Among the most elaborate schemes was to "create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight."

"Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs worked out a complex deception:

"An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

"From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day"message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

"Finally, there was a plan to "make it appear that Communist Cuban MiGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack."


#22

Hey listen, harmony first! Don't start laying heavies on me, okay! I think you're going a little too far with your conspiratorial outlooks and attitudes.


#23

Hi harmony first --

Thank you and I will take a look at the book, etc.

Imo, Mae Brussel is one of the most brilliant investigators -- she began with the JFK assassination and went into background which some are only working on more recently.
She was talking about Project Paperclip, etc. decades ago -- unfortunately, I didn't find her
articles until after her death. But they are available on internet and YouTube.

Even back then, she began to see a pattern of these "Events" occurring and predicted that they would be happening more often. In looking at the Sharon Tate murders she very identified it as a military operation. She began to see the pattern of using former long term prison inmates -- Charles Manson and James Earl Ray (and even his brother) -- to use as patsy's for crimes.
And that it was obviously a crime intended to create suspicion of young people involved with the anti-war/Youth movement which was overall a challenge to consumerism and lots more.
These are her radio shows ...

"I realized that in this country we had a revolution--of housing, food, hair style, clothing, cosmetics, transportation, value systems, religion--it was an economic revolution, affecting the cosmetics industry, canned foods, the use of land; people were delivering their own babies, recycling old clothes, withdrawing from spectator sports. They were breaking the barriers where white and black could rap in 1967. This was the year of the Beatles, the summer of Sergeant Pepper, the Monterey Pop Festival, Haight-Ashbury, make your own candle and turn off the electricity, turn on with your friends and laugh--that's what life was all about."

http://maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Ballad%20of%20Mae%20Brussell.html

http://maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Ballad%20of%20Mae%20Brussell.html

Sometimes it's difficult to find an article just when you're looking for it -- but she did an entire article on Sharon Tate murders which I can't find right now.

I did find this link to another investigator who also writes of the fakery and in a minor, but amazing criticism of Mae Brussel notes that's he "failed" to see the lack of a real event and the actors ... though she pretty much described those things in her opening.

I HAVE TO QUIT NOW AS EITHER MY KEYBOARD NEEDS REPLACING OR I HAVE A VERY POOR CONNECTION HERE. BACK SOON.

Seems to have been the connection and back to continue the reply ...

Mae Brussel may have recognized or surmised that actors were used in the Sharon Tate murders, but right now we can look back at a number of events (9/11 and Sandy Hook the
most obvious), whereas she was looking at perhaps the first of these in the US and may
have thought her report that it was a military operation was sufficient without trying to
explain the "actors" without precedent to explain it.

She knew about Nazis -- she was the first to give us that background -- whether she knew
they had a movie studio on Lookout Mountain -- who knows?

Will try again later -- problems.

You might be interested in a recent book - interestingly banned by Amazon (which doesn't ban Mein Kampf) - called "No One Died at Sandy Hook" with a collection of articles by a series of Ph.Ds, debunking the government's and corporate media's story line about children and teachers being killed there. Because Amazon banned the book and yet it's obviously more than topical and could be incredibly important for people to read, the editor of the book decided to offer it for free as a download on the internet.

Or listen to Ole Dammegard talk about the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, John Lennon and more, and who was behind them all, yet each death blamed by government on "crazy average laypeople" (or racists, or lone nuts ....). And then the country is asked to "take with a grain of salt" those trying to say things are not what we are being told. Or worse than a grain of salt, asked to consider anyone questioning any of this as conspiracy theorists, when, actually, in 1967, the CIA invented the expression "conspiracy theory" specifically to demonize and isolate anyone questioning whether JFK was killed by a lone gunman or something more was going on.

The irony is that as much as it's grotesque to think our government is killing its own people and own presidents even, it's somehow better than thinking the whole world is full of "crazy average laypeople" who can at any moment go berserk. In starting to see governments behind so many of the attacks in the world, suddenly ordinary people start to look like decent ordinary people, just like us. And one starts to wonder about a very small number of people who design things like Gladio or write Operation Northwoods (with commentary at the website "What Really Happened"), suggesting the US military attack Americans. One begins to wonder where the real danger is coming from and how many of these false narratives have we fallen for while pushing for ever more draconian security laws from those actually attacking and terrorizing us?

Does this sound familiar?

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thusgiving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.
....

"Among the most elaborate schemes was to "create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight."

"Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs worked out a complex deception:

"An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

"From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day"message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

"Finally, there was a plan to "make it appear that Communist Cuban MiGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack."

harmonyfirst
December 7

You said "there are a lot of crazy average laypeople who go around doing stuff like that." But the issue is whether it is lone crazy people are actually our own government or another country's government committing a false flag. That's why it's so great that so many people are looking carefully into the shootings and plane-downings.

While we are being pushed into fear by corporate media, if you look up who is mostly like to kill people in the US, terrorists hardly make the list. "You're More Likely to be Killed by a Toddler than a Terrorist" is an article on the insane inflation of fear we've been subjected to.

You might be interested in "Does Fear Lead to Fascism? A Culture of Fear and the Epigenetics of Terror" By John W. Whitehead

"We’re being fed a constant diet of fear: fear of terrorists, fear of illegal
immigrants, fear of people who are too religious, fear of people who are
not religious enough, fear of Muslims, fear of extremists, fear of the
government, fear of those who fear the government. The list goes on and
on.

"The strategy is simple yet effective: the best way to control a populace is through fear and discord.

"Fear makes people stupid. ....

"Even in the wake of the shootings in San Bernardino and Paris, statistics show that you are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack. You are 11,000 times more likely to die from an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane. You are 1,048 times more likely to die from a car accident than a terrorist attack. You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack. You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocating in bed than from a terrorist attack. And you are 9 more times likely to choke to death in your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack.

"Indeed, those living in the American police state are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist."

Whitehead quotes Dan Sanchez:

"Stop swallowing the overblown scaremongering of the government and its
corporate media cronies. Stop letting them use hysteria over small
menaces to drive you into the arms of tyranny, which is the greatest
menace of all."


#24

Let's see if this works any better -- the spacing is moving like molasses --

Mae also makes it clear that the assassination list is very long --
They aren't simply after liberals -- they will hit centrists, as well. As Hitler did.
Everyone not with them is a threat to them.

I agree with the idea that Operation Gladio was brought to the US...about 1970?
First project -- Sharon Tate event?
Her father was intelligence - probably first Navy/ONI -- then Army? -- then CIA.

Huston Plan was modeled on Operation Northwoods and Nixon was intending to use it to stop the 1972 elections if he needed to. This would have included fake/real murders.
Nixon and his backers were already prepared to got that far -- though "Locked down" Boston and Paris were only a twinkle in their eye?

Operation Northwoods -- quite something -- and the cover story was that IKE had been looking for a way -- reason -- to used to base an attack on Cuba on. More liken Nixon was looking for a way to attack Cuba. It was Nixon who was overseeing Operation 40, later Bay of PIgs, while IKE was in hospital.

Keep on tellin' it -- !!! :smile:

"An aircraft at Elgin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CJA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone [a remotely controlled unmanned aircraft]. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.

"From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day"message stating he is under attack by Cuban MiG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft, which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO [International Civil Aviation Organization radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the U.S. what has happened to the aircraft instead of the U.S. trying to "sell" the incident.

"Finally, there was a plan to "make it appear that Communist Cuban MiGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack."

Actually, I think Planned Parenthood attack was legit --
and I think it was making things rather hot for those who rhetoric could be seen to be so demonizing PPH that it could inspire someone like Dear to act.
I point this out to anti-Choice posters all the time --
one good aspect is that they are desperate -- numbers dropping --
Downside is -- they get violent.

Even Pope Francis is calling them out now --

But, think they decided they needed another distraction.

STILL HAVING TROUBLE WITH SPACING WHILE TYPING -- TAKING TOO LONG.

Am closing out here --
but what we have t o recognize is that it's not just right wing GOP propaganda --
much of the propaganda was being written by Nazis here --
beginning from the 1970's -- and the Drug War was of course a tremendous help to them re violence/guns ... we can see that now.

Looks at our movies/TV -- total takeover with trash, violence.

Obviously, the attacks on Hollywood would have kept the liberals confused and/or frightened.

McCarthy Era also obviously engineered to frighten the nation.

Gotta go -- the typing is horrid.

:smile:


#25

You might be interested in reading Anthony Hutton. He was a historian who showed the right/left divide was created on purpose by those controlling the government (some call it the shadow government), with their funding not just the National Review but liberal journals as well. It's the conflict and division they need. When we blame others and don't see the whole thing is rigged, we lose our power which is connection to each other and love. Instead, we are left in a angry fit of liberal v conservative, black v white, abortion v anti-abortion, religious v non-religious, the west v Muslims, etc., guided by media that is controlled by those behind the government. The Simpsons showed images with the words 9/11 long before it occurred. The cover of the Economist, last year, had references to Paris and the specific date of attack this year. Their attacks on the world are increasing. They want fear and blame of others. People around the world are increasingly seeing through things.