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Even as War Rages, Talks in Vienna Renew Peace Prospects for Syria


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Even as War Rages, Talks in Vienna Renew Peace Prospects for Syria

Jon Queally, staff writer

Diplomatic talks between high-level delegations from the U.S., Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other interested countries from across the Middle East and Europe concluded in Vienna on Friday with a resulting agreement that many are taking as a possible "breakthrough" in the effort to end the devastating civil war in Syria.


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" The United States position is there is no way President Assad can unite and govern the Syrian people." Kerry.

Talk about arrogance! Mr. Kerry, whether he is Russia's thug or not, President Assad is the legitimate President of the Syrian people. What right do you sir, have to make a statement like that!

Translation: the United States position is that there is no way President Assad will sell out to the Amerikan Empire or carry out the wishes of the Amerikan Empire!

What a hypocritical, Orwellian statement! The epitome of a lying stooge and quisling for the Amerikan Empire.

Mr. Kerry you know full well that you could really care less about the fate of the Syrian people. Enough of your lies!


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All "talk, talk, talk" but "shoot, shoot, shoot"! Put on the angel face of peace, but stoke the hell fires of war. How else can we keep our armament industry profitable?


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Bush and Obama said similar things about Saddam, Mubarak and Gaddafi, and look at what a mess they made of it. Despots they were all, sure, but under their rule you could live a reasonable secure, prosperous and peaceful life, as long as you sang their song. Now, after western interference, that is no longer possible, no matter what 'song you sing'.


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The Amerikan Empire has really never wanted peace in at least the last 120 years. The US government has used that ignis fatuus over and over and over again ad nauseum, to brainwash the American people.

The fact remains that the majority of the American people have absolutely no idea what is going on with their government...and likely never will.


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When does a political animal get into trouble? Whether it's in Washington, D.C., Vienna or Moscow it's always the same outcome to that question, or series of same. They all only get in the deep doo doo when they tell the actual truth. Since no one left the negotiating table in a hissy fit, and ran to a microphone, this initial meeting is positive agitprop ( spin ) for public consumption. Sound and fury stuff, really. When lions find a zebra with a broken leg they usually fight among themselves first, since the zebra is actually going nowhere in a hurry. Neither, are the lions, here. Syria is now essentially a failed state with a non-functioning central gov't. The eastern portion of Syria, too, is as different as NYC is to Wyoming. While in love, breaking up may be hard to do, this is what will eventually happen to this artificially created region. The Brits have proven to be deceitful, disgusting match and map makers, here. They should be made to pay severely, too. And, Syrians may be better or worse off for that, but their zebra is just flat worn out. And, the lions are still just growling and posturing, before moving in. Which, in the end, they always do By the end of this next disaster in the MENA, for the U.S. taxpayer's sake, if not for sanity's sake, someone out to hang for the last 15 years of this crap. The 99s, around the planet, have their list of suspects memorized, I'll just bet. So do the Kurds; actually, the list is quite long and growing. Now, if we can just find someone to start serving the warrants, please. Oh, man; where to start.


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As you pointed out, the "Brits have been deceitful. This whole mess was actually started by the victors of WWI. In that time the US played still a minor role behind the UK and France:

During WWI, the Ottoman Empire sided with Germany therefore it was broken up as punishment by the victors. They made damn sure that the Muslim ‘threat’ to Europe would be eliminated by planting the roots for eternal strife in the ME:

1st of all they broke up Kurdistan into 4 pieces (even though they promised they would support Kurdistan which laid down thousands of lives to help defeat Germany). In Iraq they put a Sunni minority clan into power and made them kings over the Shiite majority. In Syria they installed the Alawite minority as rulers – they broke up Lebanon and Syria (culturally and ethnically they belong together).
What is happening today is rooted in that time. Nothing learned from history*, western powers now continue trying to impress western values on other cultures. US type democracy did not work in Iraq; Tunisia and Egypt are certainly not ready for western style democracy. Likewise in Syria, western intervention will only result in increased casualties and a new dictatorship by others; either Muslim extremists or some military. If anybody can envisage a scenario in which there will be less casualties due to western interventions, I certainly would like to hear about it.

*Well, maybe they did learn from history, that they had a good thing going and that it could be very profitable for their arms industries, if they kept stirring up that mess, they had created earlier.


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Yup. However, the new equation has groups of rogue ( possibly ) clans, ex-military, displaced citizens, their sympathetic religious soul mates and privately paid mercenaries banging on Russia and Turkey's borders. And, clogging up the works generally in Iraq, too. With cash and military equipment provided by lots of different " shit stirrers ". With lots of different motivations, i.e., reasons. And, not one of those reasons has anything to do with helping the Average Joe Syrian. But even PFrank1 has called for closing this Gun Runners Paradise. And, he's a decent sort; but even he's got a dog or two in the MENA fight, for sure. BTW- You sound on top of it. Do you perhaps know where that $200 Billion a year, for the last consecutive 23 years more or less, that the DoD can't seem to find, is? I know the GAO was looking but they're kind of like that British bunch looking into Tony Blair, Brown, et al: they just keep postponing the release of their findings. Also, have you noticed the missing money started around the same time Blair and Clinton started meeting? And, the DLC, now 3rd Way, started dominating with so called " centrist " policies. Probably just a coincidence, huh?


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The only thing serious about the ME are the millions of dead, homeless, displaced and fugitives trying to get out of there as well as for the Russian and western cannon fodders. For the Sh--mitd mongers it is one big party and profitable feast.


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If a political solution to this mess can be achieved-one that stops the killing-I don't much care about who's on first or who scores a home run. Nor do I care whether Assad stays or goes.He may be the "legitimate" president of Syria, but his intransigence is one of the reasons the civil war got started in the first place. I don't, therefore, see how he can stay in power. Already the Russians are saying that this is not absolutely neccessary-although they would prefer that outcome.


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Here is a slightly different perspective but a diversity of opinion is a good thing.

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/320356-syria-us-troops-shields/

Peace
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A well written and interesting article. But this is the foggiest of wars, and who know how things would play out if some of our "advisors" got killed. One possibility is that the US public might never know. It would depend on events not yet foreseen.


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U.S. Congresswoman: CIA Must Stop Illegal, Counterproductive War to Overthrow Assad

Tulsi Gabbard - a Democrat from Hawaii and member of the Armed Services Committee - demonstrates great knowledge and courage to go against the grain in the US and explain the Syria situation along with Russian and US roles the way it is.
Speaking with Wolf Blitzer on CNN, Tulsi explains why the US allying with Islamist extremists to overthrow Syrian President Assad is an illegal, counterproductive war that will cause even more human misery in the region and help ISIS and other Islamist extremists take over all of Syria. Instead of once again being distracted by trying to get rid of a secular dictator, Tulsi explains, the US must stay out of counter productive wars and focus on defeating the Islamist extremists who have declared war on America.

Tulsi Gabbard
http://gabbard.house.gov/

Hindu, Major in National Guard, Iraq war vet, and get this - Vice Chair of DNC!


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I highly recommend an article by Mr. Finian Cunningham which appears on rt.com today 11/01/2915. In it he clearly and eloquently describes the Obama's motivation by dispatching some 50 US special forces soldiers.
" US Special Forces deployed as ‘human shields’ to salvage terror assets in Syria"


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Syria is an ancient civilization, these people have been there before Britain was even a little outpost for hunters from mainland Europe. No one has a right to even talk about partitioning any county. Where would that end? Israel takes the Golan heights, Turkey, France and Kurds the remaining portions? Bull shit, what then when the BRICS are in power? This is not Yugoslavia when Russia and China were both too weak to respond much less Iran and Hezbollah, they are much stronger and are totally against US/Israeli partitioning and regime change deadly games. I think WWIII will happen before Syria is broken up. The world is fed up with the US and Israeli terrorism a d the US economy is in shambles where will the next 6 trillions come from?


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Flatman, Or, in the words of Rummy, this is a known unknown.


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Thanks for the link. If true, that these troops are being used as stated means they are nothing but cannon fodder. Just horrible!


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Yup.That's what it is.The Russians already have "advisors" in Syria, and so do we. How many? nobody knows. One question is: why did the US make a point of announcing that they were sending 50 Special Forces? Do you suppose the Russians have been told where they are? Most likely. If not, the US is playing a very dangerous game indeed.