Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/10/20/fascism-america
For a superb, fact based analysis on fascism in the US, read the CounterPunch article titled “The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It.”
Fascism? What fascism? There’s no fascism in the USA! I gotta superb, fact-based analysis for ya!
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My argument is clear. It is obvious there is no fascism in the USA.
We’ve been living under “friendly fascism” for a long, long time. At least since the days of Ronald Reagan. And it’s been particularly insidious because of the propaganda industry that corporate media has so willingly supplied.
This is the first time in my life that we’ve had a full on wannabee authoritarian dictator trying to push us into the not-so-friendly forms.
That his base honestly believes that Antifa are the REAL FASCISTS tells you how badly the Fourth Estate has failed us. Evidence grows daily as only now are we seeing TV news anchors calling out the lies and cutting off the liars. Where have they been the last 4 years? The last 3 decades?
What a mess…
As a Veterans’ Service Officer, working a few years back with an above average number of WWII and Korean War veterans in an area popular with older veterans, along the southern Oregon coast, the comment of one has always stuck with me.
In conversation during a home visit he said, in regards to the way things were going in the country, that this was not what he had fought for.
While most are in their graves, some are still with us, dismayed and disgusted right along with those of us of younger generations.
Why didn’t we call it fascism when Obama (or earlier presidents) were in office? Biden bragged about sponsoring the “Let’s spy on citizens” Patriot Act, which most Congressional Democrats voted to extend this summer.
Obama signed NDAA giving him greater authoritarian powers including the right to execute US citizens without due process. Obama bragged about a DARPA brain-scanning technology that was in the works in 2013 which this very website reported on years later was an attempt to read people’s minds.
Now, lest I be accused of being a Trump supporter, my point is not that Obama and Biden were just as bad, or even just as racist as Trump.
My point is that typical Democrats, especially writers on this site were completely silent when it came to our rapid head-first slide into fascism, and maybe if they gave a damn when “their side” was doing it, we wouldn’t be dealing with it in a more in-your-face version now.
Will I call it fascism? Yes, of course. Why weren’t you calling it fascism 20 years ago? Possibly because your ivory-tower lifestyle wasn’t really affected by it at the time, you still thought Democrats were the good guys and you were still quite comfortable.
I agree that Obama opened the door to authoritarian style leadership with his abuse of the executive order and his random killing of people with drones he deemed worthy of executing extra-judiciously, but you can’t seriously compare the two parties and consider them equally fascist. Democrats might not all be the “good guys” you mention, but at least we have a little bit of hope and sanity when they are in power. Try finding anyone remotely like AOC or Illian Omar in the republican party, and we certainly didn’t have followers of Obama threatening to “take out” their fellow Americans.
I get so sick and tired of all the anti-democratic party rhetoric on this forum: it’s as if these folks want trump to get four more years and all the madness that is life in the US now to continue.
An odd phrase. To me it suggests that there is a level of fascism that is acceptable. And the fact that most Democrats did in fact accept it, well, there you go.
And the bigger irony is that those who oppose the fascism of both the Democrats and Republicans are accused of accepting fascism, while those who literally accepted it and voted for it time and time again claim to be the ones resisting it.
I read it. You are correct.
So did I read it. Excellent article, depressing as hell.
Be fair: I think what Marc Edelman wrote also hits the “depressing as hell” mark – DING!!!
Yeah right, fascism has been creeping up on little cat’s paws for so long now we hardly noticed until press secretaries started turning into skipper androids – there’s a serious clue for the stubbornly clueless, if anyone ever needed one. The problem I have: clueless people are very good at swatting away all clues like badminton birdies, with a little giggle of delight. We’ve got the right / to be stupid as shite! And so forth… (“depressing as hell” serves as a summary).
Here’s the underlying philosophical issue bothering me behind this essay: Is it possible to meaningfully distinguish between “name-calling” and “calling things by their names”? That most ephemeral, elusive distinction is a constant theme of news-oriented chat threads.
SS, I resent your accusation that we didn’t call out fascism when we became aware of it, albeit at different points in time going back down in the decades.
I, for one, several decades ago, was telling anyone whose attention I could get for a moment that we were having a fascism juggernaut bearing down on us. I’m no scholar nor brainiac, but I saw it. I’ve posted that I remember the very moment the radio news carried the PATRIOT Act passage. I was standing in our clinic lobby and I warned everyone within earshot that Fascism is officially IN.
I started using the “F” word on this forum and others and people were rolling their eyes at me. There’s very little pleasure in getting to play “I told you so.”
Many of us here were saying it. Repugs and dim Dems alll guilty, to one extent or another.
Personally, I hope there’s a special place in Hell for each one.
Sorry to be so dumb, but right now, I don’t know whether I’m more numb or more dismayed. What is “skipper Android.”
In answer to your question, yes, it is possible to distinguish…but that doesn’t get ratings OR light up the fear-based (or reward ) centers of the brain (amygdala to start with).
“Skipper android” is an admittedly abstruse Kayleigh McInanity reference. To some, this disciplined public relations professional resembles an animated Barbie android. But @webwalk has authoritatively shared that he knows Barbie-doll, and that’s no Barbie-doll. That’s a Skipper.
Since KM, further skipper android models have rolled off the press-secretary factory floor, here and there, in various departments. Not so much breaking molds as deploying beta molds. It’s starting to remind me of that “she’s so fine, there’s no telling where the money went” video with dozens of expressionless “babes” contorting disdainfully throughout the dance.
You just made nephewsam’s point. Never hold “our” party accountable because it is so much better.
Fascism lite is still fascism. The difference is that fascism lite tolerates social liberalism. It does so only because the leaders know that women’s, LGBTQI, rights and racial equality make no difference to the end game.
Used my time machine to travel back to the eighties. Yep woke up last week to see Fawn Hall (Hope Hicks) take the blame. Saw another unqualified nut pushed onto the highest court,… (…) saw Nixon/ReaganBush propaganda…
I have clean the time machine before next week. But honestly folks, how many people would dare go into the future, say xx years. Who would risk it. There may be a date you pick and voila, not there.
A great article and it must be emphasized.
The DEMOCRATS were in charge when they started the process of “internationalizing” Fascism . They are just as responsible fpr Donald trump.
If there was not a Truman and Wallace had become president, there would not be a Donald Trump.
The corporate(MSM) media are complicit with the authoritarian stance that we have been moving towards this whole century. September 11,'01 was used as its excuse for ever more loss of freedoms. It gas worsened since then culminating with Trump urging his minions on in ever increasing violent acts. Same with the cops. They’ve always acted fascistic, but today, with all the new war items they’ve acquired, they look just like front line soldiers and act accordingly. It will only worsen from here on out. There will be multiple crises, viral pandemics, a looming depression worse than the '30’s and climate destabilization. In 5 years or so 2020 will seem like a nice vacation to Hawaii.
Words do matter and unlike Humpty-Dumpty words are not "… what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
If you have time, listen to this talk and discussion about just what fascism really means. It would be a worthwhile in understanding fascism is not just a mere sound-bite slogan