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For the Trump Era: Fight Not Flight

For the Trump Era: Fight Not Flight

Norman Solomon

A lot of U.S citizens are now talking about leaving the country. Canada, Europe and New Zealand are popular scenarios. Moving abroad might be an individual solution. But the social solution is to stay and put up a fight.

While a majority of us were asleep corporations not only purchased most of the US Congress, they purchased electeds and appointeds in many other nations. Although you may have been able to run and hide two decades ago, today you can run but you can’t hide.


Australia and Belgium are fairly easy to get in also. There is no hope for this country, until a global alliance defeats it with military action and replaces its government completely, fixing the critical flaws and weaknesses in its constitution that continue to allow, and will always continue to allow, plutocracy and theocracy to corrupt and overwhelm democracy.


Who would have thought that electing a monster would make Americans get off their complacent duffs and actually start to take their roles as citizens seriously? I have heard and read more “Let’s come together to fight this” oratory in the past 2 days than in the past 2 decades. Food for thought.


The Declaration of Independence states: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights**, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness** I choose to stay and exercise my rights and fulfill my responsibilities.


it always takes a disaster before people wake up. It’s the nature of people.


Lets help the Democratic Party kick its three decade plus addiction to corporate money.

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Trump’s election proves there are worse things than the Walking Dead. There’s no safe haven for most people; the only alternative is–and has been for a long while–to stand and fight. It’s how Americans practice democracy between election that matters. Democracy requires an engaged citizenry every day, not just on Election Day.


Although “engaged citizenry” is too often relegated to the reciting of talking points. To be effective going forward, engaged citizenry needs to make decisions based on evidence, not hyperbole or talking points.

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Hillary did not have the requisite number of delegates to win the nomination outright. It was here, at this stage, at the convention, that the fight should have begun, it should have been a very messy affair. No, not a peep was heard from people such as Norman Solomon when a group of Third Way, DLC, and old line Black pols, decided on Hillary–these the Superdelegates, did the anointing, these the Superdelegates should be treated as the pariahs they are. Why are they not held to account? Oh, well, the Democratic Party way, to paraphrase President Obama, is to move on, don’t look backward, and never, never hold anyone accountable.


ol’ “LEV” Norm again. Pulled the same stunt again this election. And lost. Again.
Newsflash, Solomon: people can’t fight, because every time they start, dudes like you jump into the fray and tell them why they have to support the lesser evil candidate. So what’s the point of a fight when you’re going to surrender about 5 days before the battle? And everyone knows this about you!
You folks on the LEV cruise ship are the ones most responsible for these fiascoes. Maybe it’s time to hear from people who understand what principle is and, more importantly, how social change happens. It sure as heck isn’t from voting for corporate candidates every single election.


Well, sure–flee where? It’s not like they can fit the whole world into an Ecuadorian Embassy of the Mind.

When I read this sort of thing, honestly, part of me is saying, “Gee, welcome back, Norm.”

It has been a long time.

Here’s long and sincere applause for those trying to reform the Democratic Party; may this apparent debacle be a blessing to you, and speak up when you start thinking coalition.

But seriously, you have to be willing to turn your backs on leaders who don’t walk the walk. If you do not, the credibility issues become your own.

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I would really like for someone to actually draw me a picture of what, “putting up a fight,” will look like.

I’d recommend lookiing at the anti-abortion movement. They’ve organized and, while not yet being able to overturn Roe v. Wade (though it’s more likely now than ever before), they have been very successful in restricting the availibility of abortion in many, many places. They took any advntage they could, and it’s worked.

Please note, though: their fight is one that’s lasted decades. I’ve noticed that “progressives” hold a rally, don’t get what they want and then come to places like CD and complain that the 1% controls everything and that it’s pointless to attempt anything. There are plenty of people on this site who told me, when I suggested that a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party in the manner of the Tea Party or the Evangelicals in the Republican Party, that such a thing was not feasible. The Dems, I was told, wouldn’t allow it.

Conservatives organize and push push push for decades. I haven’t seen that kind of committment among “progressives.”


If what you say is true, how do you account for it?

As a contradiction to what you said, I know a few people who were involved with OWS. True, the main movement was broken up, but these people have branched off in to a different group and direction…still keeping in mind the same goals.

However, for the most part, so many Progressives talk about organizing and working toward something…it’s just not clear what that something is.

There are just so many different options and things to be done that I think we have become fragmented and discouraged.

We, as PROGRESSIVES, need to zero in on ONE main goal (at a time) and work for that! We need to NAME it, AGREE on it, COMMIT it to memory, INTERNALIZE it, and then take ACTION, until it’s fixed!

Reflecting back a few years, I recall how fired up I was over the issue of stopping the war on Iraq. At that time I was a supporter of MoveOn.org. There was so much hype and calls to organize and form protest groups. Someone posted a time and place to meet, to organize, to discuss what to do. I decided to join. Maybe I was naive, but I expected that when I got to that location there would be some kind of sign there, or some indication of what was going to happen, but there wasn’t. There was a crowd. Someone grabbed a megaphone and yelled: “No business as usual!” Everyone started to march, and yes, that day we closed down Lake Shore Drive (in Chicago), but I was somewhat bewildered. I hadn’t signed up for that action at that point. Haphazard is what I think of with many so called protest marches.

In contrast, the protest march in Seattle, where I now live, seemed to be a planned one. Everyone had one specific purpose. Maybe I’m just not in the “in crowd” or part of the right group, but so many of us are just left out here, wondering what everyone else is doing or planning. My thinking is, we have to join forces, come together in greater numbers and act in one accord on a specific thing.

I don’t disagree with what you say here. One can look at the civil rights movement, the women’s liberation movement and the gay rights movement and point to some concrete successes. Most of those movements were focused on specific things and were able to hold together because of that.

You’ll see right here on this site certain people mocking the #NotMyPresident protesters. That’s what progressives do to each other, and it’s why they are so weak. There’s a tendency I’ve noticed on the mildly Left of people always wanting to appear superior. They shouldn’t be protesting this, these people say, but this other thing, that’s where the problem is. I saw it a lot on the actual Left, and that explains why there have been so many different socialist parties–someone disagrees with a single, obscure point of ideology and they’re off, creating a new party to add to the alphabet soup of the Left.

I largely think that’s because they haven’t had many successes, or any at all, and so instead of fighting the good fight, they fight amongst themselves, trying to be the biggest fish in an ever shrinking pond.

You’re right, though, that committing to one goal is very helpful. The Keystone XL pipeline might be an example of that. The problem is, once that goal is met, the organization crumbles away. I know that socialist parties have tried to organize around ideology, but the problem then becomes which thing should be focused on? We all have our pet issues, after all. That just leads to internal squabbling and a complete dissipation of power.

So, while not the best option in my view, single-issue organizing may be the best way to go.


Belgium has gotten harder to get into as anti-immigrant sentiment has been leveraged by Bart DeWever & the N-VA to ruling Flanders and being the largest bloc at the Federal level. If one has bank, exceptions will be made. I post this as a holder of a Belgian passport acquired several years ago, and warn that the Belgian immigration regime is a slothful and almost Kafka-esque bureaucracy.

Therein lies the problem, the left is far more diversified than the right. As an example: What a progressive considers a reasonable goal, a socialist would consider a sell-out and a left-of-center liberal would consider a pie-in-the-sky fantasy. Who is going to relinquish ground? As the history of the left documents: no one!

And here we are today. :disappointed_relieved: