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'Fracking Is Bad, Actually': Ocasio-Cortez Interjects After Harris Falters Over Pence Attack on Green New Deal

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/07/fracking-bad-actually-ocasio-cortez-interjects-after-harris-falters-over-pence

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It is important to get Trump out, but then we must pressure Biden and all the other Corporate Dems to do what we, the people, want: Medicare for All and a Green New Deal, to start with.

If they refuse us, as Obama did, then the 2022 elections will be our next chance to get rid of Corporate Dems.

But we have only about seven years now till the Climate Catastrophe becomes nearly impossible to mitigate, as it exceeds the tipping point for the planet.

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Here we go noseholders, you can only be too far left, never too far right.

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For all of those Biden fans out there , this guy is running around to various campaign stops and selling himself to the Electorate by claiming he beat Sanders the Socialist in the primaries.

“No. 2,” the Democratic nominee added, “I beat the socialist. That’s how I got elected. That’s how I got the nomination. Do I look like a socialist? Look at my career, my whole career. I’m not a socialist.”

So there nothing wrong with Fracking, Biden assures everyone he not a Socialist and will never introduce “Socialism” (See medicare 4 all) Biden ensures the Public he will not be beholden to those on the left in the Democratic party and that HE is the party.

This crap that Biden can have his feet held to the fire is exactly that. How on Earth do people think once elected they can get him to change his mind? Please detail HOW? How will you “put pressure on him”?

What is Sanders doing in this party? Why do people that claim they on the left and are progressives want to insist that the LEFT vote for a neo-liberal?

How does that move things forwards?

Oh wait until 2022? That song and dance has been going on for 30 years. In 2024 the Republicans will come up with another Trump type and the noseholders will say “we have to beat the Republicans this time or we will have another Trump…but just you wait until 2028”

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When has it ever worked that way? If you give Biden the win, those who foisted Hillary, and Joe on us will ride that victory until the end of America. Those who have stolen the Democratic Party from the working people must be defeated, they’re the greater evil in this race.

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Jon, we just had a 90 minute debate and all you have is ‘green new deal’ and Ocasio-Cortez.

How many electoral votes will Ocasio-Cortez bring to Biden / Harris? I think plenty of young
peoples. Older, more experienced, serious perogi progressives appreciate our young picking
up and getting interested, studying issues, and voting.

Jon, did you slip out for a beer while Pence bored you??

In 2008 The Democrats held the Presidency, the Senate and the House. They did nothing for two years and lost the 2010 midterms. From 2010 to the end of Obama they claimed they could not do anything because the Republicans were obstructing them.

If Biden wins and they are “punished” as Obama was in 2010 they will play the same game.

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They are telling us, right out in the open and repeatedly, that there will be no GND in a Biden administration so most creatures, great and small, are doomed. When are the faux environmental organizations going to quit pretending otherwise?

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Yeah, the timidity, evasion and outright lies make it hard to be enthusiastic about the Ds at all. Harris avoided answering questions, questions went unasked, and Pence is a first class moron. Key subjects about war and peace, economic injustice, fraud and corruption at the corporate level and in DC, military spending, the Middle East, go entirely unaddressed. The whole American political scene with very few exceptions is a bad joke and a disgrace. I just can’t stop laughing until I cry.

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I have been hearing and reading that drivel ever since 2000. Twenty years later where are we? Farther and father to the right. Worse off than we were in 2000. Psssssst: The Ds don’t care what “we” want because they don’t work for “we.” Their corporate owners are not “we.” All they want from “we” is your vote and your money, which some gullible and stupid people will still send them (a check in the mail). Only a millionaire would send money to another millionaire (many of the Representatives and Senators are millionaires). Biden is a millionaire, according to Forbes. How much longer will it take for some people to ever grasp that versus their wishful-thinking about “we must pressure the Ds to move to the left” and other delusional thinking?

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Thank you. That needed to be said. We can’t afford to be fooled again. We need a new Progressive Party. The Dems just ain’t cutting it, anymore.

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Watch out for Typhoid Trump and walking dead Pence—

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the left is the natural reality of human beings. we live in a group. we need other people. we are interdependent and interconnected. The golden rule,

While the other side believes in the law of the jungle and survival of the fittest. The survival of the fittest is the rule of psychopaths. They are not human in the way we know humans to be, they are violent killers, deprivers of life for on
ly their own wealth. they look like us the look like them but they are not us

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The Dems will only move left if there IS a progressive party taking away the votes they feel they are owed. In order to get those votes back should there be a new progressive party they will have to EARN them rather then claim they entitled to them because “the left has no where else to go”.

I really want to see the progressives win sometimes down in the USA. It one reason I joined this community and these forums. There a lot of you and the only thing stopping that move to a truly viable third party is the people always holding their noses to vote Democrat.

The World over for the past 40+ years the neo-liberals and right have been “winning”. They do that winning by buying Politicans. We have to turn that around.

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Who financed the democratic party through the 1950’s and 60’s?

it was midwest union workers. Then, wall street and banks took over with more money,
easier access, in sync lobbyists, and bottomless wallets.

A new progressive peoples party (PPP) needs about 2 billion dollars over three or four years to
get candidates and issues listed on ballots. Due to court cases, advertising, education, membership drives.

That is about $400 per member and approx $12 / month donated.

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please notice that one of the two debaters will likely become president.

pence kept saying ‘if we win’.
Checked some republican polls and they show tie in a few states.
The Alabama college poll has to be one of the worsest ever!!

Thank you redpilled –
Great post –

Americans need to begin to see that the solutions rest with them –
We need to get gasoline-driven autos off the roads – we saw in just the first
week of the Shut Down what that can do for the planet –

We were home – why not get the cars re-engineered to ELECTRIC?
We have to take opportunities where we find them – and we need to understand
that all Elites/corporations have been allowing our officials to do is make minimum
changes which allow their exploitation of everything on this planet to go on –
to keep the flow of money running up to them.

We can keep waiting – and they will keep stonewalling - that’s the name of their game.

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I tried to watch the debate tonight – but they’re so fake – so artificial –
and then Kamala got to fracking and I just tuned out –

I keep picturing Pence as a TV Evangelist – a “Hustler” as Trump calls his eligious
friends in private –

Do Pence and “Mommy” have any children? Yikes!

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JOAN AND PINK —

While you’re thinking that, there are a lot of Democrats trying to turn the Senate
over right now – they need people to make calls – they need contributions large
and small –

They need people to help with ringing doorbells and emails –

I understand the passion for something new – and I’m trying to stay in touch with that
myself – but I think if Bernie Sanders had put us on the road we are on now 10 years
before we wouldn’t be where we are now –

Next up more real liberals in the DP actually acting like liberals would start to push out
Pelosi, Hoyer, Schumer, Perez … until they are up for re-election again –
We have to keep targeting these people now – and helping the new candidates win.

I love the idea of a truly liberal party – and will try to help when this is over –
Meanwhile, there are 4 weeks to the Election and all of the liberal candidates need help
in all of the states where there’s a chance at flipping the Senate –

THESE STATES WITH A STAR ARE CRUCIAL TO FLIPPING THE SENATE –

AMY MCGRATH/D - KENTUCKY-- RUNNING AGAINST MITCH*
SARA GIDEON VS SUSAN COLLINS – MAINE*
JAIME HARRISON VS LINDSEY GRAHAM - SC&*
AMY KENNEDY IN SOUTHERN JERSEY TRYING TO DEFEAT VAN DREW
-WHO SWITCHED PARTIES DEM TO REP AFTER VOTING FOR KAVANAUGH
GARY PETERS/D, MICHIGAN*
MARK KELLY/D, ARIZONA*
KATIE PORTER/D, CALIF
THERESA GREENFIELD/D, IOWA
ILHAN OMAR, MINNESOTA – PART OF THE AOC TEAM
RASHIDA TLAIB, MICHIGAN - AOC TEAM
AYANNA PRESSLEY, MASS - AOC TEAM
–SOMEHOW I CAN’T FIND A DONATE BY MAIL ADDRESS FOR AOC
JOHN HICKENLOOPER/D FOR COLORADO*
CAL CUNNINGHAM/D - NORTH CAROLINA*
CHRISTINA FINELLO/D - PENNSYLVANIA *
SEN. DOUG JONES/D, ALABAMA UNDER THREAT BY REPUGS*
MIKE ESPY FOR SENATE – MISSISSIPPI*
STEVE BULLOCK – MONTANA/D*

AND OF COURSE TRYING TO HOLD ONTO THE LIBERALS WE ADDED IN 2016 –

FRIENDS OF BERNIE SANDERS, VT – WORKING ON ALL ISSUES, SUPPORTING
LIBERAL CANDIDATES BERNIE HAS BROUGHT INTO THE PARTY
CAROLYN MALONEY NEEDS HELP – SHE WORKING TO SAVE THE POST OFFICE
GERALD CONNOLLY AS WELL TRYING TO SHORE UP WHAT TRUMP IS DESTROYING
MEDICARE4ALL WORKING ON ALL OFTHESE ISSUES, SUPPORTING LIBERAL
CANDIDATES – SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
ADAM SCHIFF/D - CALIF – SUPPORTING MANY LESSER KNOWN LIBERAL DEMS
2020 (ELIZABETH) WARREN DEMOCRATS, POB 171375, BOSTON, MA 02117
COLOR OF CHANGE, OAKLAND, CA
FUND FOR FEMINIST MAJORITY, ELLIE SMEAL -
PLANNED PARENTHOOD –

PINK –

Granted – Americans seem to be kind of slow to “get out into the streets” – but it’s
happening now –

There is NO progressive party ready right now to challenge Dems for the election –

It’s 4 weeks to the election – and time to do something positive – the likely thing being
to try to get rid of Trump – McConnell – and to flip the Senate – hold onto the House
majority.

Seems to make sense to concentrate on that for the next 20 days or so.

See list of candidates above – all of them need help – they’re all liberals – plus many
older names who are helping others in their campaigns.

And various organizations that need help –

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How regrettable these internal DEM arguments over Green New Deal never seem to see the economic picture, just the virtue signalling photo ops. The problem for me with Biden succeeding Trump is the continuity of no rising chorus of questions either has had to answer about the FINANCIALIZATION of the U.S. economy that systematically replaced INDUSTRIALIZATION and TECHNICAL PRODUCTION with no explanation of how value would be created, much less jobs as this played out!

Because we cannot discuss in public outside of academic classes the wealth-concentrating and job reducing and production plummeting policy outcomes of Neo-Liberal E-CONomics that both Duopoly political parties embrace and have pledged loyalty to in the British Thatcher mode that is embroidered TINA (THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE). The vacuum is filled with GREEN NEW DEAL platforms that never get down to the gritty issues that actually would cut down on the Global Supply Chains and Specialization of Economic Roles in the New World Order (see Larry Summers academic white papers that both parties were embracing circa House of Reagan Bush then House of Clinton-Obama-Biden era. Each side with the leering Daddy Warbucks Federal Reserve monetarist Alan Greenspan actually pushing and pulling the Executive, Financial Speculation in Government Policy and Military levers).
ttps://creativetimereports.org/2014/10/27/saskia-sassen-finance-climate-race-immigration-creative-time-summit/

Biden from his MBNA and Bank\Corporate Secrecy monetary industry roots as the U.S. Senator and bread\bacon bringher home to the legal fiction state of Delaware has spent his life protected by the corporate captured U.S. News media that never asks: What are "Downsides of Financialization and Economic Specialization in economic policy outcomes as opposed to the post WW II U.S. Big Government involvement in rebuilding the imperial ruins of Europe while kick-starting the U.S. economy only dragged out of the GREAT DEPRESSION by war production that replaced fallen consumer production as DEPRESSION like RECESSION collapses not only finance and expanding working class jobs, AGGREGATE DEMAND COLLAPSES TOO for lack of hoarded and non-invested Robber Baron wealth in circulation.

The New Deal alleviated instead of resolved the economic collapse. Progressives don’t have to answer those questions either, which is why Bernie Sanders and OAC or even Ed Markey steer clear of serious economic discussion with the likes of today’s academic critics of Financialization like Saskia Sassen at Columbia, Anat Admati at Stanford, Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman at U.C.-Berkeley or Stanford or in France along with Thomas Piketty. Diversified economies, the system the New Deal was supposed to be supporting didn’t bring enough growth until it got the Perma War Perma Development boost of Global War, Global Ruins and the U.S. supplying all sides with weapons and rebuilding materials.

That was pre-Larry Summers’ Neo-Liberal E-CONomic Revolution That Was Not Televised and eventually embraced by Neo-Conservatives once America First-er Paleo-Conservatives like Nixon and his cadre of nationalist populists like Pat Buchanan, Rust Belt raised Southern Strategy campaign tactician Kevin Phillips, Authoritarian Good\Totalitarian Bad dichotomy Neo-Con ideologues like Jeannie Kirkpatrick and her turn-coat Neo-Lib hub Evron Kirkpatrick mining the Cold War Big Government Commie Fighting contracts for academics.

Those at least who abandoned the Paleo-Cons and turned into Global Free Trade Fundamentalists after being lapel-pin flag-waving patriotic defenders of the internal markets of our 50 states and most productive work force in the world (especially when unionized) that was the envy of the developing world. All those rewards of a diversified productive economy of self-reliance went out the window when Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys weaponized Neo-Liberal E-CON propaganda started to sound good to Wall Street and they began swamping Main Street with unfettered Global Capital. All the Neo-Cons had left was Conservative Identity Politics, wooing the Religious Right Hawks out of their Baptist avoidance of partisan politics after the era of the FDR Dixie-Crats won over the Poor White South with federal programs like the TVA (Tennessee Valley Administration that brought affordable electricity and jobs to the south for Whites while the Dixie-Crat Dems were often racist as the George Wallace 3rd Party Segregationists.
This Bob McDill tells that story in a few verses dropped once Alabama sought a chart hit in the 1980’s but Bobby Bare kept in the song when he cut it under Bill Graham’s management: ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfw6o_UPfbc

Once the Neo-Cons joined the Neo-Libs in following Friedman & Chicago Boy propaganda to its Wall Street and London FINANCIALIZATION at the expense of DIVERSIFICATION conclusions and specializing the U.S. economy on monopolistic High FInance\Tech\Life Sci\Telecomm, meanwhile Privatizing Higher Education while spreading the Gospel of Good Government Is Shrinking Big Government small enough to be drowned in a bath-tub all that was left was IDENTITY POLITICS and demonizing all uses of the word LIBERAL to use flag-waving patriotism and tribalized reductionist religion.

The real challenge was writing out of scriptures all the emphasis on national policies to privilege concern for the “least among us” out of federal subsidy development programs and shift the subsidies to Fortune 500 Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Health and Big Ed along with Daddy Warbucks to divert from the out-sourcing of those middle-class wealth distributing high production jobs that build U.S. what we needed and left enough left over for the next generation to get an affordable college education without crippling debt.

A gospel of GREED IS GOOD combined with Norman Vincent Peale’s GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY, as anti-Bible Belt as any national creed has been except for WHITE MAKES RIGHT, was often spread domestically, if paradoxically by federal funding of the Chicago Boys & Milton Friedman’s Mighty Wurlitzer of Global Propaganda eaten up by Wall Street and subverting Main Street.

Main Street’s Mom and Pop business morphed with the unfettering of Global Capital into trans national cartel Venture\Vulture Capital corporate buy-outs and buy-ups with no enforcement of competition-killing market domination by a handful of trans national cartels as Teddy Roosevelt’s ANTI-TRUST LAWS were busted by a lack of enforcement and the IRS was shrunk from collecting Robber Baron idle wealth accumulation. Pay2Play replaced Public Interest policy-making as Conservative ALEC took over with their corporate clients the writing of legislation at the state level and eventually normalized Private Interest privileging at the national level and global trade level too.
ttps://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/modern-american-history/article/supplyside-liberalism-fiscal-crisis-postindustrial-policy-and-the-rise-of-the-new-democrats/CE0D1A846AD06E3A73F5B5C846975095/core-reader

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