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Greeks Urged to Choose 'Democracy Over Fear' With 'No' Vote on Austerity


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#2

Voting ends at 19:00, and a safe estimate for the result expected two hours later, 2:00 PM on the east coast, US.

"9 Myths About The Greek Crisis

An insider’s take on the conventional wisdom to ignore."

By James K. Galbraith

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42299.htm


Our NO is a Majestic, big YES to a Democratic, Rational Europe!

By Yanis Varoufakis

July 06, 2015

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42308.htm


#3

The acerbic irony that a single abstract concept MUST impoverish is no more than a statistical model extracted from 'oikos', which by nature is diverse and complementary, dynamic in equilibrium.
First it makes the absurd claim to a false miracle that despite natural dynamics only its criteria can be considered. Then it claims that direct experience of reality on the ground, which it creates, is something to be ashamed about. Then, it must keep its inversion of corrupt dynamics secret so that it claim that human beings of direct experience are 'ignorant', so that it can claim that human beings are stupid.

Ever since Europeans took to ships to colonize because of royal mismanagement, corruption and greed, the inevitable result of imposing a false reality that maims, kills and distorts, the methodological infection has been blown into epidemics of instability, dehumanization/denaturalization, ecocide, genocide and war and its own downward spiral sucking everything along with it.

Archie Roach - All Men Choose the Path They Walk

Some men are prone to misadventure
Questions of guilt aren't always clear
Some men run from a fate they can't avoid
All men choose the path they walk

Some men can be faulted for their reason
Feigning to justly intervene
Some men hide from the memories that haunt
All men choose the path they walk

Some men see everything through duty
Cast off responsibility
Some regret that their courage sometimes fails
All men choose the path they walk

Some men have attitude that's righteous
Care not about the consequence
Some men fight with the violence inside
All men choose the path they walk

Some men have reached their destination
Finding their own serenity
Some men lead others till they recognize
That all men choose the path they walk


#4

I wonder if the NSA will be main lining the electronic voting.


#6

Voting takes place on paper ballots. They are counted by hand. Voters, upon legal age, are automatically provided a state id. The manner in which the system of voting is inclusion - unlike in the United States. In short, Greeks take their elections seriously and their electoral processes verify the will of their citizens.


#7

And the counted votes are not electronically forwarded to a central location?


#8

Oh gosh, the NSA is only interested in protecting the US from terrorism don't you know. Gee whillikers the NSA surely wouldn't be affording its vast surveillance powers for the benefit of the bankers. (sarcasm in service to your point)


#9

Is there any correlation between who votes "yes" or "no" with whether they are conservative or liberal?


#10

Update (2:20 pm EDT):
News outlets are officially reporting that the 'No' side has won a decisive victory in Greece, rejecting a bailout offer from foreign creditors that would have imposed further austerity and economic hardship. Reuters reports that government officials "immediately said they would try to restart talks with European partners," perhaps as soon as Sunday night.

WOW!


#11

Don't know about that, but an observer writing in the Guardian said that the "Yes" demonstrators the other day were noticeably more posh than the "No" demonstrators.


#12

An important anti-austerity step in what promises to be a rocky, yet necessary, path for the Greek people.


#13

yeah, but you know, #narrative. conspiracies gonna conspiracy. easy way to write off a loss as a plot, but not so easy to explain a win.


#14

this looks a bit complicated. nationalists are not exactly fond of the EU relationship on the right, so you'll see many of them voting with the left. Some leftists are profoundly cosmopolitan and apparently hate nationalism more than they hate debt enslavement (hi Trots!).

I'm with Mairead here. Mostly will be affluent people who support the Yes vote, but that doesn't explain picking up 40-45% of the vote. Reality is that too many Greeks are still fence sitting about wanting to have their autonomy and still remain in the corrupt EU. I was hoping this vote would settle some of that, but I'm not sure it's going to.


#15

From the photo that accompanied the analysis, a lot of the Yes was quite likely from uni students, not necessarily affluent now, but hoping to emigrate to a nice job in Paris, Berlin, or NYC. Or even the City.


#16

That makes sense. Conservatives want their Dom Perignon now, not Ouzo.


#18

Yes! Fantastic!


#19

I'd imagine it's to maintain the open-borders privilege, so that Greeks can work elsewhere if they can't find anything at home.

Syriza's next trick should be to start collecting taxes and creating import-replacements.


#20

With more than 60% of all votes counted, NO wins by 61%. Not quite a proper landslide, but close.


#21

The vote is clear. Not even close. Will it knock into sense into the Troika - I doubt it - when one is in a power mad, punishment rage like the EU, banks and IMF, it is hard to think straight.


#22

His transparent campaign is not to "exit Europe" but to reform and democratize the EU. He's been consistent about this since Syriza won the election, through all the negotiations, and into this referendum.

Success at this will not happen simply from one country's resistance and negotiation, even with a popular mandate from this vote. It will require movement, solidarity, popular resistance in multiple countries, not just Greece.