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'Guilty on All Counts!': In Historic Victory, Monsanto Ordered to Pay $289 Million in Roundup Cancer Lawsuit


The lawyers most likely get the biggest wad.


Re-re-re-insuring just adds overhead. The nuclear industry was in a similar quandary, and the plants that were built were built because government limited their liability until insurers would take them for most of the rest.

These companies produce poisons for money. If it costs them money, they stop. Large lawsuit awards cost them money. They will fight this and largely get it reversed. But with 5,000 cases pending and multimillion dollar awards, they will stop cold if they keep losing, just like they quit building nukes.


Some of you have ancestors who used DDT. My ancesters were born too early. There were no similar pesticides in most places for thousands and thousands of years of agriculture, and for more thousands of years of horticulture before that.

It is not necessary.

Planting foods in polycultures, integrated pest management, and planting more traditional strains can all help. Where these chemicals are used, the soil dies, and fertility progressively wanes. We all have a transition to make.


Hmmm… Yes…

And to emphasize a bit more, crop rotation.* It is well documented that places that grow coffee, or tobacco, season after season after season eventually poison the soil so that only the toughest weeds grow. Caffeine and nicotine are both natural pesticides.

I recently read that 99.99% of the toxins in foods are natural toxins that plants themselves produce to protect themselves from pests. Leaving aside whether anyone believes the exact number = 99.99%, it is true that such stuff, like caffeine, is in there.

* = Given that there is a reason for farmers to specialize their skills and equipment for one mono-crop, we will also have to develop a system of farm-ownership rotation, so that farmers follow the crop they know how to grow as the crops are rotated.


Of Roundup!




Monsanto claimed it was safe because humans do not have shikamate pathways. However, our gut bacteria does which is so critical to our immune systems. Also recognize that guten-free is necessary for many since glyphosate has been used as a dessicater on all wheat just before harvest. The revolving door between Monsanto and our government agencies charged with the health and safety of the public is responsible for for this travesty. Watch "Whats With Wheat" and many documentaries with Dr. Seneff, as well as Dr. Mercola interview with Dr. Zach Bush on Youtube to become informed.


Pardon the unclarity. They quit building nuclear power plants within the US, 70s-80s, and have not (yet) started up again, though Obama was pushing for new ones in the Carolinas.


Coffee is a good understory in tropical polycultures, as is cocoa, because they both fix nitrogen. In the proper place, you can put them under coconut palms, for instance, and over taro and sweet potatoes and beside bananas and papaya, and all can produce at once. The toxins do not build up because they get cycled through the system of multiple plants and animals and fungi and so forth.

Problems occur with almost any species planted in isolation. Any single organism must have one pattern of chemical use instead of a dozen others, so of course the soil suffers and will have to be reclaimed later. That’s what happens with monocultures of coffee or tobacco, and anything with allelopathy will develop particular problems.

Crop rotation is a great thing, of couse–one method of establishing a polyculture of sorts. It has some particular advantages with annual crop systems in some contexts because a single crop can present itself to a machine harvester at a single time. But it won’t be enough for the coffee: that’s got the same roots in the ground too long.

Yes, there are lots of toxins in plants, though not all so lethal as nicotine or oleandrin. And some of those plants with some of those toxins are useful in integrated pest management. So in many cases Tagetes marigolds work well in the garden beside a lot of vegetables.


I was referring to your comment about plants,
“just like they quit building nukes.” I was referring to the weapons (nukes).
*We are apparently spending billions to revamp and upgrade our current supply of nuclear weapons, of which we “only” have enough to totally destroy life on the planet seventy or eighty times. We’ve never stopped building “nukes.” The profits are beyond enormous, and We the People pay for it all with our taxes.
*I’m a nuclear veteran (Operation Redwing, Marshall Islands, 1956) and I would love to see everything nuclear beyond perhaps such things that work to detect illnesses, or structural flaws, eliminated.
*I look upon nuclear power plants as slow motion bombs. Chernobyl and Fukushima are examples. Nobody has been able to safely store or eliminate the byproducts. Anything that took out our power grids would guarantee more “Fukushimas” when the diesel fuel running the cooling pods runs out.
*I read and studied the reports that came out about the various reactors that had reached the end of their “lifespan” and were granted another twenty years, in some cases at 125 to 150% over their designed capacity.
*The NRC routinely OK’s these things, even while allowing many months to repair problems and failures, like wiring damaged by fires, deferred maintenance.
*The woods are getting pretty thin for nuclear test survivors and the government will love to see us go, for then there will be no direct witnesses to the horror of this insanity. I have seven H-Bombs seared into my memory (when I was 18 years old), and I was so sick, I thought I would die. I’m still here, but most of my crewmates are gone.
*There is no such thing as a “limited” nuclear war, especially in a world where governments have proved that their words are not worth the breath used in saying them. Also, what do you think will happen to the nuclear plants when nearby areas have been hit by bombs, or EMPs?
*As someone once said, “No Nukes is good Nukes.”