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In 'Clear Violation of Domestic and International Law,' Trump Bombs Syria


#161

I am sure that many of us would rather live in a better country. The things that hold us back: Extended family, VA healthcare (free in my case), locked in annuities, healthcare access for other than veteran, (important for the retired cohort). The shrinking of the freedoms we used to fully enjoy is not one that would hold us back.
G


#162

Sorry Bruce, I didn’t see your post in time. G


#163

Back to the boycott comment. In 1971 I attended an anti-war presentation hosted by Jane Fonda and Country Joe McDonald. The handout bill listed a half dozen ways to deal with the war machine.
The last item, and the one preferred, was to have a national boycott starting with DOW Chemical and on to other places supporting the war.
This didn’t go anywhere even as the bulk of the war protest was getting traction.
“One Two Three Four, what are we fighting for?” G


#164

When did being a lying sack of shit become a prerequisite for holding any office in the USA??


#165

You know, maybe if we suffered a real good ass-whuppin’ on our military we might not be so eager to bomb the hell out of innocent people at the drop of a dime.

I agree with you - I am appalled and ashamed of this country. I wonder how Mr. Pence, fine Christian gentleman that he is, reconciles lying with his faith???


#166

Really? While I agree with you that this country is the turd in the world’s punchbowl, where will you go that the Empire will not have an effect on your life? Iraq - minding it’s own business and gets the shit bombed out of it. Libya - minding it’s own business and gets the shit bombed out of it. It’s a pattern - the USA wants something you have and they bomb the shit out of you.

We are run by lying sociopaths who are trying to make Hitler and Stalin look like Boy Scouts.


#167

Worth recalling: Others have committed worse crimes in Syria, and are more deserving of a trial in The Hague:
Bashir Assad, for crimes committed against his own populace. He has never pursued a peaceful settlement with the Arab Spring uprising against his rule
Vladimir Putin, as an accomplice in all this. Putin has additional offenses on interfering in the internal affairs of other nations.
– Just how strong is international law when so many violators of it can’t be held to account?


#168

Ah, who’s going to do that? The Republicans? I don’t think so. The only Republicans that were upset with him were Neo-Cons like McCain and Graham, who were upset with him because he wasn’t more bellicose in his Syrian policy. They might still want him out, but they’ll never use his bombing Syria as the reason for impeachment. Why? Because they want more of it.

The Democrats? Are you kidding? The anti-Trump hoi poloi may be against Trump for this, but the leaders in Congress aren’t. They still follow Hillary Clinton’s lead and she critiqued Trump for his last bombing in Syria for not taking out every Syrian airbase. They and the Republican Neo-Cons are as responsible for this as Trump is; they have spent the last year and a half pushing Trump to adopt their foreign policy in Syria and against Russia. The Democrats will never seek to impeach him based on him finally doing something more along the line of what they’ve been demanding he’d do if he wasn’t a “Putin Puppet.”

No, if they do win next fall and seek to impeach him it will be on obstruction of justice or something else, not this war crime and subversion of the constitution. Then if they succeed in removing him, they’ll have Pence who’ll happily go along with their Neo-Con madness, after all he wants the End of the World to happen soon so he’ll get to see Jesus come back in his lifetime.

Meanwhile, Paul Ryan is leaving Congress at the end of his term, most likely so he can start running for President full time. If the Dems do remove Trump from office the Republican base will be so angry that Ryan will win in a landslide in 2020.

This is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Instead of this impeachment folly, THEY SHOULD DO THEIR JOB. They hold the purse strings. STOP FUNDING THE SYRIAN WAR. The Congress tied Obama’s hands when he wanted to move Gitmo to the States- they could tie Trump’s hands to wage illegal, unconstitutional wars.

But they don’t really care about that. They only care about the politics of winning without having to put one thing in the way of the American Imperial Project. Why? Because their real bosses, the Plutocrats, demand they expand the American Empire.


#169

“This shit has been going on pretty much non-stop since May 4, 1607 and the first permanent Anglo colony in North America.”

There- fixed it for ya!


#170

Yes, a murderer, like
Obama before him and
Bush before him and
Clinton before him and
Bush before him and
Reagan before him and
even Carter before him and
Ford before him and
Nixon before him and
LBJ before him and
Kennedy (yes) before him and
Eisenhower before him and
Truman before him and
FDR before him and
Hoover before him and
Coolidge before him and
Harding before him and
Wilson before him and
Taft before him and
Roosevelt before him and
McKinley before him and
Cleveland before him and
Harrison before him and
Cleveland before him and
Arthur before him and
Garfield before him and
Hayes before him and
Grant before him and
Johnson before him and
Lincoln before him and
Buchanan before him and
Pierce before him and
Fillmore before him and
Taylor before him and
Polk before him and
Tyler before him and
Harrison before him and
Van Buren before him and
Jackson before him and
Quincy Adams before him and
Monroe before him and
Madison before him and
Jefferson before him and
Adams before him and
Washington before him and
the Continental Congress before him
and the British Colonies individually before them.

It’s the system. Even the most peace loving president of my lifetime, Carter, led the U.S. in murdering folk in Afghanistan and Timor. This nation was created out of aggression, murder, and stealing other people’s lands and resources. It isn’t going to change easily.

Both W. Bush and Trump ran on not doing regime change and ‘nation building’ and both instead did the opposite. Meanwhile the opposition in the last election ran on doing regime change and expanding war.

I’ve been saying this for a while: We’re up shit creek without a paddle and the canoe has holes in it.

The holes just got bigger.


#171

The US used white phosphorus bombs in Iraq; napalm in Vietnam; depleted uranium again in Iraq; bombs that scatter “little” bomblet’s all over the world killing innocent people and other life that happen to trigger them; we dropped agent orange all over Vietnam the effects of which are still devastating the lives of the Vietnamese; we supplied poison gas to Sadam to use against his enemies; and, now we are risking anhilating the world with nuclear weapons due to someone, whoever it was, used some poison gas. What kind of f*****g insanity is being carried out by our government in our names? If all of you aren’t pissed off there is something wrong!


#172

If it was only so easy!


#173

Worth recalling: Others have committed worse crimes in Syria, and are more deserving of a trial in The Hague:
Bashir Assad, for crimes committed against his own populace. He has never pursued a peaceful settlement with the Arab Spring uprising against his rule
Vladimir Putin, as an accomplice in all this. Putin has additional offenses on interfering in the internal affairs of other nations.
– Just how strong is international law when so many violators of it can’t be held to account?

You are so sheltered. There are many countries in the world with worse endemic corruption. Haven’t you heard of ‘la mordida’ that used to be so common in Mexico? (Might still be.)

America spends more money on redistributive programs, mostly benefiting the old and/or sick, than on the military. But, yeah, I know some people like yourself allen1 want it more so.

Please do. There are plenty of more left countries that could benefit from your talents and work, or at least from taking the money that you bring out of America.

The Syrians have less money that you do, and many have fled their country …


#174

Yes, you are right.

Except Hillary Clinton would not have done the same. She’d have done a lot more. She told us this when Trump bombed one base last year and her critique was he should have bombed every single air base in Syria and taken out the Syrian Airforce.

Also she would have started this not with a false flag provocation months into her presidency. She didn’t need a provocation, she’d already made that clear. She’d have started it on Day One. Probably at 3 am in the morning.

This isn’t a defense of Trump. He’s now a tool of the MIC.


#175

Trump is merely the pimple on a festering boil that is the USA. It has been this way for a very long time. A political party that can stop impeachment for a legitimate cause for removal of a President from office; a second political Party which offers voters no real, honorable, effective choice from the other; bribery which is perpetrated and accepted without jail sentences are just a few of the reasons our government is an utter failure to its citizens and to the rest of the world. I do not hold any hope to resuscitate this corruption which permeates our entire government. A new beginning is our only salvation.


#176

Obama was a cheap shot at hope for change. The guy turned out to be a coward (deep state) and a fraud (good talker for selling snake oil).


#177

Situational. I read so many accounts and opinions about this, and conclude that the moral of it is ‘situational’.

During the 20th century, and particularly after WWII, the nations of the world adopted treaties declaring many things to be wrong. It felt good at the time, and we held the leaders of Nazi Germany to justice for what they did! In a particular instance that applies to this situation, the nations declared making war on one’s own populace, and using poison gas, to be a crime against humanity. Nations pledged to never do that. Since the Iraq-Iran war of the 1980s, and probably earlier, many nations have done that, and usually nothing has been done in response. It has become ‘situational’.

After the Vietnam War Congress passed the War Powers Act. Plainly Pres. Trump has violated the intent of it. But nobody has enforced that law in ages, or shows any effort in enforcing it. Pres. Obama with Libya was the first to break every element of the Act. Nothing was done. Our domestic law against that form Presidential abuse has become worse than ‘situational’.

The United Nations was created by treaty, and every nation that is a member of it pledges that they will make no war act against another nation unless attacked or with the concurrence of the United Nations. Experience since 1945 is that a nation that enjoys Security Council veto protection has wide latitude to do what it wants, provided that enough fig-leaves, spin and obfuscation are employed. Whether a nation attacks another nation, and in what way, has become situational. Example is that Germany chose not to participate this time. Because of its own domestic politics, not because of its obligation to the UN treaty.

Perhaps what we need is some honesty about our two-faced-ness. Yes, we are a party to a treaty that condemns nations that make war on their own people, that condemns nations that commit genocide, that condemns nations that use poison gas, particularly against civilians. We speak condemnation against such nations, but we aren’t going to do anything to stop those other nations, and we are not going to accept (many, if any) refugees from that targeted nation.


#178

So now humans will devise a new form of government that actually works or disappear with environmental collapse.


#179

These so-called flag waving patriots are going to get us all killed. They need to be educated. A good place to start is Howard Zinn’s book, “The Untold History of the United States.” Com’mon people; to sheepishly believe this government, as I said, is going to get us all killed.


#180

You know I despise this action of Trump and I despise him for taking it.

However…

It wasn’t unilateral. France and the U.K. participated. That by definition makes this a multilateral act of war.

I’m afraid that Congress a long time ago in the War Powers Act gave presidents authority to do one time acts of war. It’s only when the war continues that they need to then go to Congress and get authorization. The Pentagon is insisting that this was a one time ‘surgical strike,’ which according to the War Powers Act means the president had the authority to do this as commander in chief.

Me? I think the War Powers Act and the AUMF should be repealed. But 't’ain’t gonna happen, McGee. Not with this current system entrenched.

It’s time we who oppose war and injustice and inequality realize the only way things will change is a revolution. I’m an idealistic nutcase, I guess, I still believe a revolution could be peaceful and non-violent. But it will take the masses of the people to rise up, not just to write letters and make phone calls, not just to march in the streets or even sit in in the streets.

The People will have to do what they did in 1917 in Russia- occupy the places of power and take them over. Before that the People must organize, like they did in Russia, in their case it was soviets. Before we can organize we must agitate- which is what I try to do.

(When I look at the Russian October Revolution I am impressed, it was socialistic and pretty non-violent, a mass uprising. But I am disappointed with where it went later: to authoritarianism and violence- which happened because the Bolsheviks believed in the dictatorship of proletariat and which in practice meant the dictatorship of the party, which meant the leadership. But I still believe that true socialism that is democratic and non-authoritarian based on consensus not autocracy can happen.)