According to an ABC report, Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump himself directed him to make contact with Russian officials during the presidential campaign
How you like them apples, @FAKEpresident?
It looks like the cover-up is starting to unravel. As they go up the chain and people try to cut deals from themselves the focus will increasingly be on Trump. Congress still might refuse to do anything however, What matters most to virtually all Republicans is seems is their own jobs in Congress. So taking on Trump for them is a big political risk. They are probably watching the special election for senator in Alabama to estimate how much influence Trump has with voters. Clearly most Republican voters are totally fed up with the Republican establishment and want a strongman who will make sweeping changes.
As chickenhawk Trump gets boxed in he gets more reactionary and the chances of machismo nuclear war increase.
Democrats take care. Clean you own glass house. Its filthy with Wall Street bribes.
It’ll be “interesting” to see just how many of Don’s fellow patriots in his party will publicly condemn him for this.
50% of Nixon loyalists supported him even after he resigned. Sitting around with them, as they sailed down the Denial River, at first was interesting and fun. Watching them squirm and contort, their mental wheels falling off as their lips quivered, was cheap kicks and giggles. As a McGovern worker and Midwest farm kid, I also wanted to go over to them and sock’em a couple or three really good ones, too. Their blind stupidity caused a lot of good people a lot of unnecessary grief.
Republicans are put on earth for only one good reason, really. To torment well-meaning, mostly decent loyal Americans who just want a fair shake and a fair deal; a truly progressive country for everyone.
What Republicans always do, ALWAYS, is to scream like hell about deficits and the national debt, then get into power and self-enrich their already wealthy cronies, at almost every other decent Americans’ expense. It is why we can never have nice things for all. The Republican Party will always attempt to steal them. It’s just their nature, really. They really are criminals when you get down to the bending end of things. Just like their POTUS, aka, Trump & Co.
At this point, since Trump likes President Andrew Jackson so much, we could paraphrase a quote from his era. " The only good Republican is a dead Republican ". So, there’s that, too.
Lets hope it doesn’t get to that.
Well here’s a true rock and a hard place: all the Dems have is Trump. All Trump has is the possibility of yet another “war” (slaughter) to add the permanent War Against the World the U.S. is conducting on behalf of capitalism.
My bet is that they join forces in the end. And the end may very well be THE END…for all of us.
Dec 16, 2016 they can’t do better than that? How about before he was elected would be better. Reagan got away with contacting Iran about hostages and delaying until after election to cause Carter to loose.
Trump will be tweeting hourly what a liar Flynn is and we will have another shit storm of liars and his supporters will believe him.
"What is arguably most disturbing about this case is that then-National Security Adviser Flynn was pushed into a perjury trap by Obama administration holdovers at the Justice Department who concocted an unorthodox legal rationale for subjecting Flynn to an FBI interrogation four days after he took office, testing Flynn’s recollection of the conversations while the FBI agents had transcripts of the calls intercepted by the National Security Agency.
But the inclusion of this Israeli element shows how far afield the criminal Russia-gate investigation, headed by former FBI Director Robert Mueller, has gone. Though the original point of the inquiry was whether the Trump team colluded with Russians to use “hacked” emails to defeat Hillary
… the criminal charge against Flynn has nothing to do with election “collusion” but rather President-elect Trump’s aides weighing in on foreign policy controversies during the transition. And, one of these initiatives was undertaken at the request of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, not Russian President Vladimir Putin.
In other words, both of the Flynn-Kislyak conversations appear rather unsurprising, if not inconsequential. One was taken at the behest of Israel (which proved ineffective) and the other urged the Kremlin to show restraint in its response to a last-minute slap from President Obama (which simply delayed Russian retaliation by a few months)."
Where is the collusion? Above quotes from Consortium News.
From Webster’s: Collusion: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose or acting in collusion with the enemy.
Cooperating with Russia to choreograph their response to sanctions fits this definition.
As for your assertion that “Obama administration holdovers at the Justice Department…concocted an unorthodox legal rationale for subjecting Flynn to an FBI interrogation four days after he took office, testing Flynn’s recollection of the conversations while the FBI agents had transcripts of the calls intercepted by the National Security Agency.” There is no unorthodox legal rationale here at all. Flynn was lying. He admits he was lying. That’s different than just testing one’s recollection. Also, Comey was not a “holdover” – the head of the FBI has a ten year term, meant to insulate him from the antics of buffoons like Trump. But for Trump’s attempt to obstruct justice by firing him, he would still be head of FBI.
As to your attempt to narrow the collusion inquiry to the use of hacked emails, there is no such restriction on the scope of Mueller’s investigation. It is a broader mandate extending to the entirety of Russia’s attempt to meddle in our electoral process, a subject Trump has remained suspiciously silent on.
As for the crime charged, it is common practice to cut a deal with a defendant on a lesser charge in return for cooperation and conflating the limited nature of the charge with the notion it is unrelated to the real scope of the investigation as you have done is disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst.
Anyone with their eyes open and ears functioning can see that Trump has been and is desperately trying to avoid a reckoning on his collusion with Russia during the campaign, and in all likelihood, since. To paraphrase Shakespeare, he doth protest too much. Anyone who has ever had an eight year old child (or ever been one himself or herself) can see the pattern of evasion and distraction of one caught in a lie. Turns out Trump is both a pathological liar and an extremely poor one at that.
Who made Russia an enemy? Are we at war with Russia? Was Bill Clinton’s $500k speech to a Russia bank an act of treason?
Asking the Russians to show restraint in response to new sanctions is a nothing burger.
Of course Mueller can go in any direction he pleases, and if he finds wrong doing, so be it. Ruissia gate originated with the charge that Trump colluded with the Russians by “hacking” the DNC and Hillary’s computer to rig the election, that too, so far, is a nothing burger. Remember the breathless Rachel Maddow quoting an anonymous source to the effect that Putin personally authorized a “hack.” No evidence, just wild assertion. Of course it wasn’t a hack at all but a leak from someone with access to the DNC server.
I could care less how many deals people make with Mueller, Russia-gate is a farce.
Mr. Parry who wrote the piece isn’t trying to narrow anything, he simply deals with what is known and what isn’t.
I’m not a lawyer, Mr. Parry who wrote the piece seems to think it is unorthodox, I think his reasoning is sound, my judement anyway.
Russia-gate as we know it is collapsing. Face reality.
“And, one of these initiatives was undertaken at the request of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, not Russian President Vladimir Putin.” from the Consortium piece.
Each time I try to post a link to the Robert Parry piece, the picture that comes with it takes up an enormous space so I delete it.
That’s just wrong. All of our intelligence agencies confirmed that Russia was meddling in our election. The Trump/email/collusion issue came up in the context of investigating the broader Russian meddling issue.
Private citizens are prohibited from attempting to influence our foreign policy by the Logan Act. To the extent the focus is now on Trump’s collusion with Russia, one need only observe that Flynn’s meeting with Russian ambassador was a violation of the Logan Act.
Maybe you should troll where the less informed dwell.
Though I think the Russia furor is over hyped, there is nothing I’d like better than seeing the investigation expand into Trump’s financial dealings. No matter what area laws are broken, even the president of the United States should have to stand naked, to paraphrase another. Accountability. That’s a good thing, and too often the powerful get only slaps on the wrists. Or in a couple of cases I can think of, they get the Nobel Peace Prize.
Of course, no one is above the law, and if Trump is in violation of laws he should suffer the consequences.
And, all you have is the Democrats. Pick your poison? Well, evidently you prefer the 1%ers’ poison, in this mud wrestling match.
Trump has already obstructed justice. Trump has already lied to and double-crossed millions. He’s violated and disrupted the country to protect his deceitfulness and chicanery. He’s a effin’ pig, as well.
Waiting for the purists to increase everyone’s self-awareness and end the duopoly is like watching 20 somethings waiting for Santa Claus to come down the chimney. And, quit lying about your intentions when smearing the Dims with the same green brush. It’s overkill.
Your intelligence is a joy to behold!
All of the intellegence agencies did not, three did, the FBI, CIA, and the NSA, all hand picked by the DNI, James Clapper. This is part of the record in Mr. Clapper’s own words.
The Logan act “– passed during President John Adams’s administration in the era of the Alien and Sedition Acts – was never intended to apply to incoming officials in the transition period between elected presidential administrations and – in the past 218 years – the law has resulted in no successful prosecution at all and thus its dubious constitutionality has never been adjudicated.”
Don’t start that Troll Bullshit, you are the one who is seriously misinformed.
Actually it was the CIA, NSA, FBI and ODNI – all of the intelligence agencies with jurisdiction/responsibility for this type of intelligence.
The absence of prior prosecutions under the Logan Act has nothing to do with whether it was violated in this case. Your assertion fails under the logical fallacy of non sequitur and likely others, but I’m disinclined to waste my time articulating them all.
When you say all we have is the Democrats, the comment lacks both imagination and practicality. The capitalist parties are death to us and death to the world. Within the electoral system the Sanders movement demonstrated the real possibility of an independent (sort of) left alternative political party. The kids are certainly ready for it, even as Sanders runs from it.
But there are all kinds of politics that can be exercised outside of the electoral arena in terms of community and union organizations, change organizations and national and international coalitions for progressive change.
The old saw about the corrupt, capitalist, imperialist war-mongering Dems being all we have has played itself out.