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#41

Our nation was not intended to be an Oligarchy, which it is –
that happened only in betrayals by Our Founders in their creation of an
Elite/Patriarchy.

What you are suggesting is that only Elites should have control over this nation
and not the citizens of the nation.

Is that what you’re intending to say?


#42

Quite to the contrary, rent control era created thriving cities and diversity
which also provided for an energetic creativity.

During the era of rent control and the New Deal which included the 1950’s
and later, we had only examples of thriving and notable cities often featured
in our magazines and movies – and which were famous destinations for
vacations – which included New York City and San Francisco.

Obviously, they might have to begin destroying those old mags, brochures, and movies!

The ARTS thrived as well in these cities with theaters/plays affordable to all.

And these cities certainly had NO homelessness nor the levels of poverty we see
imposed on citizens today by unemployment.

It is where Elitism is created that we see exclusion and wealth ruling …

And, where we find

And, of course, general corruption of government and our societies.


#43

Is there one business owner of which you approve?

If you started poor, created a business and became rich, do you automatically go from being an honorable person to a “parasitic” elite?

If so, then how would you advise a poor person to live his or her life? What goals would you set for someone in society to be successful? What is a successful and honorable lifestyle to you anyway?

A “nation” has no wealth. People have wealth. A nation is just a conglomerate of people. A government of people can assume control over a nation of people, but the nation itself as an abstract has no wealth.


#44

The Fed is not a private bank. The top 1% of income earners pay almost half of all income taxes at the Federal level. The bottom 40% pay nothing.


#45

Nowhere did I say or imply that nor is any of what you said true.


#46

Agreed. Our Constitution was one of the first formal examples of a legal code that gave private, individual rights to the citizenry instead of the governmental elites. We can debate the fringes of it, but to claim that it was designed overall to give an aristocratic oligarchy power over the people is a complete 180 from reality. We fought an entire war to rid ourselves of that society!


#47

Massive. The real estate industry is the very definition of parasitic.

That, including government fees and taxes at closing, piled on top of unneeded construction regulatory costs just makes it harder and harder to afford a home.

One small example: I built a home for my family a few years back and the code said that every window within 2 feet of a doorway had to be tempered glass. Didn’t matter if it was an interior or exterior door. Didn’t matter if the door was in one room and the window was in another. Didn’t matter if the window was a 2’x2’ window 5 feet off the floor.
Not a massive cost but having to buy those, make sure they were in the right spot and prove it to the inspector added to the cost of the home and provided no value.

Multiply that by many times for other stupid stuff and it becomes the death of a thousand cuts.
A couple of thousand here and a couple of thousand there and pretty soon you’re talking real money.

And don’t get me started on property taxes.


#48

tv –

"Greenwich: Elites are parasites as they have always been living in luxury off the backs of slaves
and those they underpay for their LABOR."

Is there one business owner of which you approve?

How many of Our Founders and Presidents owned SLAVES?

Obviously YOU admire Amazon and likely any other such model of business
which destroys small business. I don’t.

Nothing wrong with small businesses which have been long been the main employers
of our population.

There’s an old saying … "Behind all great wealth is great crime."

"Greenwich: Our Founders PRIVATIZED the wealth of the nation rather than creating a democracy."

A “nation” has no wealth. People have wealth. A nation is just a conglomerate of people. A government of people can assume control over a nation of people, but the nation itself as an abstract has no wealth.

Again, whatever your source of information it is hugely lacking –

A nation has a wealth in its population – especially when well trained and healthy –
but in the US there was certainly wealth reflected in almost 400 years of FREE SLAVE LABOR.

A nation’s wealth is in its LAND – in this case stolen by murder of 112 million native people here –
and in the nation’s Natural Resources, including its Animal-Life.

The Federal Government also has the power to lay and collect TAXES …
DUTIES, IMPOST AND EXCISE TAXES are also all means of generating revenue.
Once Tariffs were the largest sourceof income – until the Federal Income Tax began after 1913.

Tariffs have historically served a key role in the nation’s foreign trade policy. They were the greatest (approaching 95% at times) source of federal revenue until the Federal income tax began after 1913.

This doesn’t account for other stolen land, either – US theft of Mexican territory …

Did you know that until 1848 California, New Mexico and other portions of the Southwest were internationally recognized provinces of free Mexico, until the U.S. decided it wanted those provinces, declared war on Mexico, and stole them? Read on for the chronology of these events, and then ask yourself : "Who are the real illegal in California?"

Prior to 1822 What is today Mexico, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, and California are all Spanish colonies.

1822 Mexican colonists, following the American revolution, rebel against Spain and win their own revolutionary war, making Mexico a free nation just like America.

https://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/guadalu3.htm

And HAWAII, of course …

And INTEREST, of course … $66 BILLION in profit for US on Student Loans.

Student loans from the federal government issued between 2007 and 2012 are on target "to produce $66 billion in profits for the United States government."


#49

Who Owns the Federal Reserve?

The Fed is privately owned. Its shareholders are private banks

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-federal-reserve/10489

“Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.” – The Honorable Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s

The Department of the Treasury (USDT) is an executive department and the treasury of the United States federal government. Established by an Act of Congress in 1789 to manage government revenue, the Treasury prints all paper currency and mints all coins in circulation through the Bureau of Engraving and Printing and the United States Mint, respectively; collects all federal taxes through the Internal Revenue Service; manages U.S. government debt instruments; licenses and supervises banks and thrift institutions; and advises the legislative and executive branches on matters of fiscal policy.

Previous two Federal Banks were overturned.

Again – re taxes – whatever corporations pay in taxes is insufficient and taxes
should be returned to the upper levels once levied on them – ever the more so
now as the pollution and destruction of nature they have caused in their
exploitation of our environment is ever more clear.

And, all of our natural resources should be NATIONALIZED –
No private interests should have control over our natural resources and certainly
not for private profit.


#50

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"Jim: Nowhere did I say or imply that nor is any of what you said true."

Let’s try again …

Greenwich:
Our nation was not intended to be an Oligarchy, which it is –
that happened only in betrayals by Our Founders in their creation of an
Elite/Patriarchy.

What you are suggesting is that only Elites should have control over this nation
and not the citizens of the nation.

Is that what you’re intending to say?

Are you saying that our nation was intended to be the OLIGARCHY it is today?

Are you denying that Our Founders gave only males the right to work – males of property?

Are you then in agreement that it is a “people’s” government and that citizens should
have control over our nation?


#51

Greenwich: How much are real estate commissions taking in every home sale/purchase?

“Fight: Massive. The real estate industry is the very definition of parasitic.”

Glad you agree – and noticed you left out legal fees.

Meanwhile, the entire system of Capitalism is an evil –

It’s a system intended to move the wealth of the many to the few – and it has
done that successfully all over the world.

Capitalism is not about competition - it’s about killing the competition.

Capitalism is fascism.


#52

The Fed is a quasi public / private owned institution BY DESIGN and not run for profit. Profits over a certain amount are turned over to the Federal government. You might want to actually get your info from reputable sources if you want to be taken seriously.


#53

Capitalism sucks. It just sucks less that any other system.


#54

tv –

You’re in denial of what the Constitution actually does – and it’s not the “fringes” of it.

In endowing males with property, Our Founders created a system of Elitism.

In giving ONLY white males of property the right to vote, Our Founders created a system of patriarchy.

Women, Native people and Africans enslaved here were not full citizens by any means.
Are they what you mean by “the fringes”?

Rather, the same Elite Patriarchs were given immense influence and control over our “people’s”
government, the nation’s wealth and natural resources.

Our Founders saved the system of Slavery for the benefit of Elites/wealthy which guaranteed
the Civil War which further benefitted Elites by splitting the nation into two camps of hatred
which continue to echo today. Add in the Runaway Slave Act where the government protected
the interests of Elites/wealthy in their slaves as “property,” using State Militias.

Our Founders also continued on with Genocide against 112 million native people here for the
purpose of stealing their land … and using “Christianity” which is one of the most often used
tools in the Elite toolbox, they continued on with “Church Schools” run by the Catholic Church
and the Mormon Church where children of the natives were held and parents denied visits
with their children who were often kidnapped. They were not permitted to speak in their native
language and their hair/braids were cut and clothing changed. They were beaten, hung and
murdered in these church schools – and sexually abused, of course.

Nothing about our government has changed very much since that time – especially their interest
in overtaking nations, stealing their land and natural resources.

Until 1848 California, New Mexico and other portions of the Southwest were internationally recognized provinces of free Mexico, until the U.S. decided it wanted those provinces, declared war on Mexico, and stole them? Read on for the chronology of these events, and then ask yourself : "Who are the real illegal in California?"

Prior to 1822 What is today Mexico, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, and California are all Spanish colonies.

1844 James Polk campaigns for the U.S. presidency, supporting expansion of U.S. territories into Mexico.

Isn’t that pretty much what Hitler did less than a hundred years later in regard to the
numerous nations he invaded?


#55

“Quasi” doesn’t cut it – it’s a private bank with private ownership.

Again – two previous banks were overturned.

Since the time of the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank they have reduced
the dollar at that time to 19 cents.

And the FED continues to be used to take on the responsibilities of our elected
officials/Congress. It is Congress responsibility to openly debate issues such
as employment rates and full employment – not the responsibility of an unelected
private bank.

Same for other issues effecting our economy –
It is citizens who create our economies, but it is our banks and financial institutions
which manipulate those economies for the benefit of the rich.

The first MAJOR MYTH, accepted by most people in and outside of the United States, is that the Fed is owned by the Federal government, as implied by its name: the Federal Reserve Bank. In reality, however, it is a private institution whose shareholders are commercial banks; it is the “bankers’ bank.” Like other corporations, it is guided by and committed to the interests of its shareholders—pro forma supervision of the Congress notwithstanding.

“Some people think that the Federal Reserve Banks are United States Government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers; foreign and domestic speculators and swindlers; and rich and predatory money lenders.” > Congressman Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee in the 1930s unmasked its blatant misrepresentation.

The fact that the Fed is committed, first and foremost, to the interests of its shareholders, the commercial banks, explains why its monetary policies are increasingly catered to the benefits of the banking industry and, more generally, the financial oligarchy. Extensive deregulations that led to the 2008 financial crisis, the scandalous bank bailouts in response to the crisis, the continued showering of the “too-big-to-fail” financial institutions with interest-free money, the failure to impose effective restraints on these institutions after the crisis, the brutal neoliberal cuts in social safety net programs in order to pay for the gambling losses of high finance, and other similarly cruel austerity policies—can all be traced to the political and economic power of the financial oligarchy, exerted largely through monetary policies of the Fed.

And then there’s Thomas Jefferson …

“The [private] Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the principles and form of our constitution . . . . If the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency . . ., the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered” (Thomas Jefferson, 3rd U.S. President).

And here’s Andrew Jackson –

In 1836, Andrew Jackson abolished the Bank of the United States, arguing that it exerted undue and unhealthy influence over the course of the national economy. From then until 1913, the United States did not allow the formation of a private central bank. During that period of nearly three quarters of a century, monetary policies were carried out, more or less, according to the U.S. Constitution: Only the “Congress shall have power . . . to coin money, regulate the value thereof” (Article 1, Section 8, U.S. Constitution). Not long before the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank in 1913, President William Taft (1909-1913) pledged to veto any legislation that included the formation of a private central bank.<

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/18/who-owns-the-federal-reserve-bank-and-why-is-it-shrouded-in-myths-and-mysteries/


#56

Not true –

Capitalism is one of the greatest evils which is why it can’t
be regulated –

Here’s an old Russian joke –

Q: What’s the difference between Capitalism and Communism?

A: Under Capitalism Man Exploits Man

Under Communism it is just the opposite.

smile
:slight_smile:


#57

Tax incidence says otherwise, I’m afraid. Best way to target a corporation is via property tax.


#58

WHY not do that as well?


#59

Instead of searching out sources that affirm your confirmation bias you might actually want to learn about how the Fed really works. Remember - financially illiterate people always look to some boogieman like the Fed or Corporations as the source of their problems.

Start here:

The Federal Reserve Banks have an intermediate legal status, with some features of private corporations and some features of public federal agencies. The United States has an interest in the Federal Reserve Banks as tax-exempt federally created instrumentalities whose profits belong to the federal government, but this interest is not proprietary.[20] Each member bank (commercial banks in the Federal Reserve district) owns a nonnegotiable share of stock in its regional Federal Reserve Bank. However, holding Federal Reserve Bank stock is unlike owning stock in a publicly traded company. The charter of each Federal Reserve Bank is established by law and cannot be altered by the member banks. Federal Reserve Bank stock cannot be sold or traded, and member banks do not control the Federal Reserve Bank as a result of owning this stock. They do, however, elect six of the nine members of the Federal Reserve Banks’ boards of directors.[17] In Lewis v. United States,[25] the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit stated that: “The Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA [the Federal Tort Claims Act], but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations.” The opinion went on to say, however, that: “The Reserve Banks have properly been held to be federal instrumentalities for some purposes.” Another relevant decision is Scott v. Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City,[20] in which the distinction is made between Federal Reserve Banks, which are federally created instrumentalities, and the Board of Governors, which is a federal agency.


#60

Jim –

The Federal Reserve is not working in the interests of the American public …
clearly it is working in the interests of Elites/wealthy.

Since the creation of this third “central bank” in 1913, they have reduced the value
of that dollar to 19 cents at this point.

And it is being used as a political tool to reduce overall employment in the US …
now getting close to less than 50%.

Our economy and interest rates and employment levels and full employment in US
are subjects for the Congress to discuss and debate in the open on the floor of the
House and Senate. They are NOT issues to be decided by an unelected private bank.