An insidious idea pervading media analysis and public discourse around the 2020 presidential election is that voters looking to defeat President Donald Trump are locked into an ideological battle between pragmatism and idealism. Voters backing former Vice President Joe Biden find him to be “electable” rather than being a candidate whose values they support. But is Biden really the pragmatic choice?
Spot on Sonali. Don’t worry about the phony polls, take a tour of the net, you’ll see the comments. Many who claimed they voted for him for change in 2016, now say they wont touch him with a ten foot pole. Trump can’t win with his base, he’s got to have independent votes, these are the people who now know they were scammed. It’s all up to the dem party, do they want to win with a progressive, or have the people lose with a neo-liberal (they still win)?
When Sanders can win over gop voters in a Fox news studio in an hour, who do you think the voters are going to chose if we can get him on the ballot?
If continuing the failed policies of the past decades were are all this country needed, then Joe Biden would be highly qualified for that job.
LOL, you deserve a “good one” for that.
Happy Anniversary Brother!
Actually, although Biden is not ideal, most of the elite forces are actually behind Trump. It would be nice if the Democrats, including the people who run this site, quit trying to cut their own throats.
LOL! Yeah, a progressive site should just get behind someone that created horrible drug bills with Strom freaking Thurmond, authored a horrible crime bill, voted for the war in Iraq, voted for the Patriot Act (tried to take credit for it), opposed busing in schools, authored a bill that made it impossible for students to write off student loan debt, did ghastly things in regards to Anita Hill and other women at the time that could testify (Clarence Thomas is, in part, on him), pushed in the Obama administration to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (so much that at the time he enraged many Democrats), as of a few years ago was arguing to actually means test those programs, voted to gut the New Deal financial regulations, opposes single payer, offers pathetic quarter measures in regards to the environmental crisis, voted for multiple rounds of financial deregulation, pushed for the TPP, has a ton of baggage, is thoroughly corrupt and has said a mountain of insanely stupid comments, and I could go on. Now, why would a progressive site that supports long overdue and needed (as well as popular) structural changes not get behind a corrupt, out of touch Democrat with a right wing record that has tons of baggage and says lots of stupid and tone deaf things?
To sum up his awful record as “not ideal” is telling.
Biden is the preferred candidate among establishment Democrats. It seems likely, that establishment Democrats will, once again, collude to anoint their candidate as the Party’s nominee. When this happens, I have no doubt that there will be intense efforts to ensure that progressives shut up and get behind Biden. I anticipate that even many who are now critical of Biden, will call for progressives to support the 'lesser evil when he is the Party’s nominee. If elected, Biden’s center-right Presidency will be aimed at serving the elite, which will only set the conditions for the election of another right wing ideologue.
Actual Republican voters and not just independents who have gone back and forth but went Republican last time? - I’m not sure he can do that (and I’m a huge Bernie fan). I did watch the Fox town hall (on YouTube) and thought he did a great job but I do doubt that anybody clapping or asking friendly questions was a dependable Republican voter. But of course we don’t need any of them, if we can get a nominee that will a) get the base to come out and vote, b) get a reasonable fraction of true independents (those who have voted both ways in the past), and c) get a reasonable fraction of people who don’t normally vote or who have never voted. Is Bernie that person? I think he could be.
Is Tulsi that person? After talking to some people at work I think she could pull more votes than Bernie could from certain types of independents, but I’m not sure she would overall do better than Bernie and even though she is my #1, I don’t think she has a very good chance in the primary. I’d still love to see more coverage of her at CD though.
Is anybody else running that person? I can’t see any. I like aspects of Warren, but she is not going to pull in much of the independents and I’m not sure I see her bringing in people off the couch either. Everyone else seems even less likely to have the right combination of outside appeal and bring in the base appeal. I sure hope we choose well this time.
The irresponsibility of that group of people cannot be overstated. There is no bounds to their selfishness and thirst for power and wealth. I don’t see most of them as fundamentally different as than the Kochs. They do what is in their interest, to hell with everything else. They feel no responsibility to society what so ever.
“Pragmatic” in DNC speak is defined as perpetuating the flow of corporate cash into the Party’s coffers.
I do agree with you. I should have been more specific in my post. No progressive is going to move Trumps base, you can’t fix stupid. Like you said, Trump has to have independents to win. From what I see on other sites comment sections, a large % of these voters supported him because they believed his drain the swamp theme and other lies. They are waking up in large #'s and swear they wont get fooled again. These were the voters I was referring to in my post. And yes, we will need very large turn-out #'s on election day, if for nothing else, just to overcome the vote flipping the machines will be programed to do. Who knows how the cards will fall by Nov. 2020, I feel like the dream ticket would be Sanders/Gabbard. He’s got the domestic issues, she’s got international issues and military stand down issues, with both ready to hit the ground running come Jan 2021. It’s probably a fantasy, but at this time, it is my fantasy.
Biden is the pragmatic choice for Republicans. His winning the nomination would hand them the House.
This article is precisely correct.
"Biden’s corporate backers imagine their planetary pillaging and worker oppression can continue into some endless horizon."
But the problem is, as many have stated here many times, The “democrat” leadership doesn’t want to be the Democratic Party. They want to be the new Republican Party and they would rather lose to Trump than to win with Bernie, or any other Progressive.
The best thing Biden could do for the country would be to run as a Republican and Primary Trump. He might just win with that
Not directed at you Blockertoo… just in general
How can you expect a person who was, in part, responsible for creating the problems, to fix the problems, when they don’t believe that these are problems?
The lesser of two evils, is still evil.
This illustrates it… someone else posted this in another tread. I dont’ remember who
That candidate is the neo-New Deal progressive-populist Bernie Sanders. He is the target of a multi-pronged “Stop Sanders” movement within the Democratic Party and across its many establishment media and non-profit outposts. This reactionary operation includes at least ten related lines of attack:
+1. Flooding the primary campaign with such an absurdly large number of candidates that Sanders will likely be unable to garner the majority of primary delegates required for a first-ballot nomination at the 2020 Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee.
+2. Coordination among the Democratic Convention superdelegates—the more than 350 county and state party bosses and elected officials who are granted delegate status without election—to vote as a bloc to stop Sanders on the convention’s second ballot. (These superdelegates exist precisely for the purpose of blocking challengers to the party’s corporate establishment.)
+3. Ongoing efforts to change state party elections from caucuses to primaries, as caucuses are friendlier to progressive challengers. (Sanders won 11 of the nation’s 18 caucus states three years ago.)
+4. The disingenuous theft of many of Sanders’ sincerely held progressive policies by corporate candidates who have no intention of fighting to implement them if they attain the presidency.
+5. Appealing to the name recognition of the right-wing corporatist-imperialist Joe Biden, along with the public’s misplaced nostalgia for Barack Obama’s Wall Street-captive presidency—both of which will be wielded as weapons against Sanders’ progressive populism.
+6. Repeated identity-wielding “gotchya” efforts to make Bernie seem indifferent to Black and female voters.
+7. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s sickening decision to block contracts with campaign consultants and other political vendors who agree to work for progressive challengers in the 2020 primaries. (Besides seeking to protect Congress itself as a corporate preserve, this move aims to deny Sanders congressional allies and undermine his ability to govern if elected.)
+8. Recurrent claims that Sanders “isn’t a Democrat” even though Bernie has long functioned essentially as one in Congress and Vermont politics (his “Independent” status is for show).
+9. Smearing Sanders’ popular social-democratic policy agenda as “fantastic,” “unaffordable,” “unrealistic” and too dangerously “socialist”—this while Democratic elites refuse to acknowledge the fascist tendencies of the president they helped elect in 2016.
+10. Branding the eminently electable Sanders “unelectable” on the grounds that he is an “extremist” who is “too far left” for the U.S. electorate generally and independent voters specifically. In reality, the opposite is true. Sanders appeals to independents (who are nowhere near as conservative as is commonly reported), people of color, infrequent voters and the white working-class that has largely abandoned the Democratic Party. His anti-establishment message, coupled with his long record of representing rural voters, makes him highly competitive with Trump, not only in the Rust Belts states where Hillary Clinton faltered but even in some dark red states like West Virginia. (Even Karl Rove believes Sanders could defeat Trump in 2020.)
Sounds like all of the democrat bashing on this site is in full swing. We don’t need to add wood to the fire that the republicans are about to stoke with their billions in trash ads.
We will start to see things like the Howard Dean fake scream, the charge against Gore in relation to the creation of the internet. Swift Boating, tank riding, challenging citizenship, and more. But this is an opinion site and we promote free speech, so hold on to your hats.