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'Lord of the Flies,' Revisited

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/12/30/lord-flies-revisited

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Nice article as usual Jim. DJT throws fresh meat of hate as many before him have. Too many gnaw it to the bone whilst others find it repugnant. I don’t know the fix for this other than education grounded in caring and an honest understanding of just what we did to indigenous and enslaved people who built this nation. For me a turning point when I first hear a teacher’s aide in third grade sing Coven’s One Tin Soldier. That was good food for my good side. You are a wise man Jim. Thank you for your contributions.

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The GOP’s fresh meat for people who hate actually started with Robert Taft, the Dulles brothers, and Joseph McCarthy launching their commie witch hunt in 1950. By the time Nixon’s agents broke into the Watergate Hotel two decades later, the GOP had become an organized crime syndicate and continues to be today seeing how they have never been dealt meaningful prosecution. Trump is just their current Godfather.

Unless Biden’s highest priority is to prosecute Trump, his appointees, and other enablers, the syndicate will continue to become more powerful and more difficult to prosecute,

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If only our society was something other than a free-for-all orgy of greed, consumption, and envy which exalts the worst perpetrators to the highest station…

If only.

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I just watched video on that not long ago. I finally found it:
~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6atvaHyJco0

Here is better documentary from 1966 on the 6 castaways:
~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHO_RlJxnVI

Incidentally, the picture that heads the article is from the great, great film directed by Peter Brook! If you have never seen it, here you go:
Lord of the Flies
~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3B6bjwBfk

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In what sense is that film “great”?

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Rather than grounding our better angels

Be grounded in them

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If we taught our children about partnership cultures both past and present, instead of exclusively pushing dominator cultures, we’d have a chance. Riane Eisler’s book Tomorrow’s Children details a new curriculum for all levels of schooling that’s based on partnership, not competition. Empathy and compassion are certainly being stomped to death in the dust these past few years in the First World countries as we continue to exploit others for the materials used in our Dumbphones, computers, and other electronic gadgets that are equivalent to blood diamonds and gold.
Always check out the cv of “noted authors” of so-called classic literature. Especially literature praising one group’s superiority over another…

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The entire theory behind the nonsense of “The tragedy of the commons” is another example of this at work.

The author of this rubbish claimed that if all property owned in Common , it would be ruined as individuals would act to abuse it. The guy had no background in sociology and only PROJECTED what he would do under such a system. The guy suggested that just because he would act in such a manner so would “the common people”.

Added to that , it the system of Capitalism that demands short term rewards on a given investment. It that system which would act to destroy “the commons” . The guy behind this bogus theory translates what Capitalists would do to commonly owned property, to what other economic models would do.Capitalism rewards bad behaviour and that why most of our wealthiest are really not nice people.

The thing is the elitists are the outliers and because they running things they like to pretend that because greed selfishness and an underlying disregard for others is part of their own personalities everyone else must be the same. They simply can not conceive there people who are not motivated by the things they are motivated by.

I suggest everyone here read some stuff by Ms Eisler and start with “the Chalice and the Blade”.

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The kids in the movie were from an English Boarding school—maybe they are just a reflection of their culture. Look how kids treat each other in school?

but yes----SUPPORT THE COMMONS!

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“I have always understood the Nazis,” Golding once said, “because I am of that sort by nature.” -from article

i discovered futher evidence of golding’s less than stellar character from his wikipedia article:

‘In a private journal and in a memoir for his wife, Golding said he tried to rape a 15-year-old girl when he was 18 and on his first holiday from Oxford.’

the fact that this man’s twisted view of human nature has been immortalized by our society’s embrace of ‘lord of the flies’ says a lot about our society, i think/fear. bad societies tend to bring out the worst in human nature. bad societies tend to embrace the worst in human nature. bad societies tend to reward the worst in human nature. exhibit A: the current POTUS.

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thanks for the suggestion.

“Golding had no knowledge of behavioral science and was hardly an impartial judge of children’s propensities.”

Also didn’t know beans about optics. Piggy’s glasses would have been useless for starting fires.

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Half of our voting public believe the better angels are evil.

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Stop perpetuating religion and you have a good start.

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The World Socialist Party highlighted this story a number of months ago
~http://www.wspus.org/2020/05/after-shipwreck/

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Not only did that “Tragedy” theory presume psychopathically-selfish behavior, there is an enormous amount of real-world evidence against it both in the historical record and in current practice among people who lead traditional communally-oriented lives. There are communities even in today’s New Mexico where land is owned in common and redivided each year to maintain functional equality.

Adult selfishness is a pathology and evidence of socialization failure.

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“Which one will win? The one you feed.”

Yes, but who is the “you” here? It’s not YOU, meaning you-know-who. It’s our socioeconomic system, aka capitalism, and we all know which one it feeds!

What you mean-um "Unless . . . ", Kemo Sabé?  P’Loser is still Speaker Obfuscator of the House, and Biden was (de-) mentored by O’Bummer.  We’re busy “Looking to the Future” — What part of ‘2009 Revisited’ don’t you understand??

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Sir Golding was an Oxford graduate scientist. He was a teacher of English, Philosophy, Greek, and Drama at a boys school for 20 years. He probably knows a little bit about the behavior of British boys, besides being one himself, once.
Also, comparing a dozen or more pre-teen British boys to teen-aged young men of Tonga , well, that is apples and oranges. I watched the Tongan documentary and I guarantee you there was one leader and the rest followed. One of them said after fighting they would go to the jungle, have a cry, and come back. One commented about how they would box regularly.
There is a reason this book continues to be famous.
Lord of the Flies is an allegory and a cautionary tale.
Highlighting observations of the author’s society, Lord of the Flies is one possible scenario, perhaps the worst case. We can learn from it, to not make the same mistakes.
Get from it what you will.

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