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Mask-Shaming Won’t Work. Try These 5 Things Instead

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/07/22/mask-shaming-wont-work-try-these-5-things-instead

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I agree. it’s pointless to have mask mandates if they aren’t strictly enforced. We have our fair this weekend in the small KS town I live in so it will be interesting to see if people will sit out in the 90 degree heat (with about 90% humidity) with masks on while they watch the rodeo, tractor pull and demo derby, and if there will be police there handing out tickets to those who don’t. I also wonder if trump finally getting with the mask program will make a difference with his blind cult-like followers who usually don’t wear masks.

Most unmasked I’ve encountered either believe that One World Government has fabricated the whole thing or that they are somehow immune in a variety of incomprehensible ways. Their tactic is usually a sustained loud screed. They certainly can’t be approached as in the article.

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There is no science to show that masks prevent Covid transmission! I could send you ten links to medical specialists who explain that wearing masks is for people who are ill, not the population of the world. Even Dr. Fauci told us not to wear them in the spring. Now he’s been coerced into wearing one, and says instead they are “mostly symbolic”.

Here is just one quote from the Journal of the AMA:
“When Should a Mask Be Used?
Face masks should be used only by individuals who have symptoms of respiratory infection such as coughing, sneezing, or, in some cases, fever. Face masks should also be worn by health care workers, by individuals who are taking care of or are in close contact with people who have respiratory infections, or otherwise as directed by a doctor. Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill. Face masks should be reserved for those who need them because masks can be in short supply during periods of widespread respiratory infection. Because N95 respirators require special fit testing, they are not recommended for use by the general public.”

Please leave this topic and Donald Trump alone with this issue… It’s the only one he’s gotten right in 3 1/2 years.

Thank you for this excellent article.

It’s always too easy to butt heads with buttheads, but when it’s life or death, it’s better to help science persuade us all toward safety.

Once you force someone to justify their behavior, you’ve lost your chance to get them to change it.

Great chart! It won’t convince those who think George Soros is funding zionist covid chemtrails at the direction of the nefarious Greta Thunberg., though I refuse to believe they’re in the majority of non-maskers. (Also, when you pass it along, you might want to mention, as the fine print implies, it doesn’t include the 93 per cent of deaths caused by old age, car crashes, cancer, etc.) But it does show the real risk.

Do you think this mask design would play in evangelical communities:

“Commandments 2 & 6”

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Okay, everybody does different numbers…

Honour your old folks. Don’t kill them.

Freedom vs. Public Health: a False Dichotomy

~ww.counterpunch~org/2020/7/17/freedom-vs-public-health-a-false-dichotomy

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Is anybody interested in offering the legal foundation for mask mandates?

Or should we just imitate Richard Nixon? If the President says it, it must be legal?

If the mayor or governor demand it, it must be legal?

Yes, liberty dies to thunderous applause as authoritarianism rules the day.

Your citation, posted by one doctor from the AMA, is from March 4, 2020, and all the citations in the article are from 2019, before anyone here had died from Covid-19: ~https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762694.

As of March 4 2020, only a handful of people had died from Covid-19 in the USA, and the reality of how it spreads and how to prevent it was only beginning to dawn. As of today, around 150,000 have died in the USA, and how it spreads is well-understood.

Here’s a much more recent article from July 6, 2020, citing the official position of the AMA, AHA and ANA: “AMA Nurses and Hospitals Plead With Americans to Wear Masks as Coronavirus Cases Surge Again”
~https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2020/07/06/ama-nurses-and-hospitals-plead-with-americans-to-wear-masks-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-again/#718a06203004

“The American Medical Association, American Hospital Association and American Nurses Association pleaded Monday with Americans to wear a mask and practice social distancing to stop the surge of cases of the coronavirus strain Covid-19.”

Please stop posting false and outdated information. Real people are really dying.

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Get over yourself. Masking slows the spread of this deadly virus. Masking saves lives. Fake libertarians are killing people.

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…Who is it up to, then?

I’m not suggesting that it’s your responsibility, personally, to change people’s minds. But the fact that you’re afraid to even have a conversation with someone who disagrees with you (on an issue much simpler and immediate than the virtues of Scandinavian socialism) should terrify you far more than COVID.

Fining and throwing ordinary people in jail isn’t going to make our society any better, because we all know the people who will be punished will be the ones with the least power.

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I don’t see how that supports your point in the least.

You think MAGA supporters in D.C. are going to be fined, and this will lead to a change in behavior?

If anyone gets fined in D.C. they will be disproportionately black, brown and poor. Meanwhile, rich people outside the city will be throwing pool parties.

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Exactly. But at some point the people or groups that made statements that seem obviously ridiculous now (don’t wear a mask if you are healthy but do wear a mask if you are healthy and a healthcare worker) and in the end turned out to be extremely counterproductive (because now we have to deal with many people who don’t believe scientific knowledge now that it is refined) need to have a MAJOR process check. Somebody or many somebodys fucked up bigtime in this and many other avenues in COVID response. If you don’t analyze your failures and put in process changes we’ll just make the same mistakes again and again.

On this topic, I think all progressives should spend a little time to learn the basic facts about the 4 Scandinavian countries and be willing to calmly discuss the ways in which they have done pretty well as well as the arguments that the right uses in response (“the countries don’t have as big a soak the rich tax as proposed by you lefties” is the one I hear the most). I talk with friends who are conservative at work less now because I’m a stay at home worker now but I have never had my head chopped off.

On mandates and fines for masks, this can get tricky even in normal times and now we have more animosity with police so I’d want to be cautious. As with immigration, I think enforcement should go heavy on the business side - you want to stay open? - make your customers wear masks and wear them properly. Just yesterday in the grocery store I saw mostly compliance but around 1% leaving their nose out of the mask (where the hell did that idea get started?) and a few people with masks in their hand (what the fuck did you bring it for?)

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I think you need to re-read the article. It has a lot of good advice on how to have a civil conversation with someone who disagrees with you.

There are those who will refuse to reflect on their opinions. Don’t bother with them. Most people are open to a conversation if you treat them like an intelligent adult who is capable of making informed decisions.

I’ve lived all my life in the Deep South, and have had conversations on all sorts of topics with people. The goal is to give them something to think about. Given the chance, they might decide to come to a conclusion that you agree with. Best tactic is to ask open-ended questions that leave them something to consider.

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@Ballyshannon
Kathleen,

The official positions of the American Medical Association, the American Hospital Association, and American Nurses Association all strongly REFUTE President Trump, and all strongly SUPPORT wearing masks.

Please reply to my post.