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Ocasio-Cortez Not Phased by Can 'Democratic Socialism' and 'Capitalism' Coexist Question

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Ocasio-Cortez Not Phased by Can 'Democratic Socialism' and 'Capitalism' Coexist Question

Jon Queally, staff writer

Fresh off an introduction of a historic resolution on the Green New Deal, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) on Thursday evening did not have a problem grappling with the question over whether the ideologies of democratic socialism and capitalism can coexist, saying she is not one who thinks in simplistic terms about the nature of the economy but believes the most important thing is the power and voice that workers enjoy within businesses and beyond.

"Can you be a democratic socialist and a capitalist?" asked MSNBC's Chuck Todd in an one-on-one interview.

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Headline: word should be “fazed”, not “phased”. (Sorry, but I used to teach high school spelling.)

Fazed is often confused with phased , which means “carried out in stages.” The verb faze , or “disturb,” is at the root of fazed
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fazed

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It is a pity that AOC has to suffer the likes of Chuck Todd, a wannabe intellectual who contributes nothing to the national dialogue. I thought she did a good job of answering his weak questions. I hope that she and other like minded progressives will elucidate a vision that reinforces her opinions on the value of cooperative work environments (as one example). Until the public is properly educated in such matters the “s” word will remain vilified. Education is the only way to keep people from continuing to vote against their best interests.

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For the exact same issue, MSN reports this story as:
“Ocasio-Cortez contradicts herself on role of government in massive and unprecedented ‘Green New Deal’”

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Well, if they had had a phaser, Chuck Todd would have used it on her. Since he did not have one, then she was not phased or fazed. (smile)

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#6

Or tazed…

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I suppose they can coexist for the amount of time it takes capitalism to finish off life on Earth.

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The question posed in the headline is off the mark. If it’s anitpodes you want, ask if democratic socialism can coexist with neoliberal capitalism (hint: it can’t). By invoking “New Deal” nomenclature, isn’t the currently proferred version of democratic socialism aiming primarily at bridling capitalism and reinvigorating the public good? For those in the heartland who want health care but can’t stomach the word “socialism,” perhaps we can rebrand democratic socialism as, I don’t know, “kinder, gentler capitalism”? “Muzzled capitalism”? “Capitalism sans psycopathy”? (No, scratch that last one. Too egghead.)

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AOC deserves praze.

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#10

You taut spelling? What about yousage?

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I give AO-C and Bernie Sanders credit for having the courage to bring the once politically taboo word, socialism, back into the political discussion, even if their versions of socialism don’t get the approval of purists. Thanks to them, socialism isn’t the political boogeyman word it once was for the public. Remember, it wasn’t that long ago when Obama was ignorantly and laughably called a socialist. At least we can now have an intelligent discussion of the word.

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Yoo hoo, AO-C, arm yourself with some facts. You can start here:

https://www.nceo.org/articles/employee-ownership-100

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I have to laugh every time I see a comment talking about “educating” the uneducable. For one thing, when most people (on forums such as this) speak of education, they mean “learn to see it my way.” Thus the post saying “educate yourself” followed by a link to a Breitbart article or some such.

You will not likely “educate” a public brainwashed for generations to worship wealth and the wealthy and to villify anyone who wants workers to share in the wealth they create. We have been taught since kindergarten that the rich man is special and deserving and that it is the duty of the rest of us to either become rich ourselves or be satisfied with what they give us.

This can not be educated out of the mass consciousness, it must be done by taking charge of the corrupt system and changing it.

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It all depends what the definitions are. Democratic Socialism, capitalism, and vulture capitalism with the ability to buy and install legislators, buy favorable legislation, and derail unfavorable, install right-wing judges, bypass and ignore the rule of law, the Common Good, and take for private profit the natural resources that belong to the public, NOT private corporate mechanisms like the fossil-fuel conglomerate! A sustainable future of the 99%.must be priority #1. The boogyman of “socialism” is branded as a threat by the PTB, when the real threat is fascism and the power of vast wealth they represent - the theft of wealth from a society, nation, and people to serve a minority of inter-connected co-conspirators and profiteers!

" The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism – ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power… Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing.” - FDR

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To me, the best thing about the long trail of red asses AOC is leaving in her wake is just how mind numbingly stupid she makes their accusations sound. The “Official Story TM” has become a remedial and hare brained soap opera for the low hanging fruit that still blame one party for what they’re both doing. It only “makes sense” if everyone is reading from the script but AOC ain’t playing their game. Their Bullshit doesn’t stand a chance against her honest, simple truth.

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“A political party today must stand for labor and the freedom of labor, or it must stand for capital and the exploitation of labor. It cannot possibly stand for both any more than it could for both freedom and slavery.” - Eugene Debs

AOC seeks to run with the fox and hunt with the hounds

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FDR’s New Deal came as close as anything to buffering the effects of capitalism on labor. Because the New Deal proved itself beneficial to the 99% for nearly half a century I’m sure that AOC will be guided in part by the New Deal model, Canadian single payer and other proven strategies.

Those of us who have implemented change for many years realized early on that you utilize as many proven tactics and strategies as possible to increase the chances that you will succeed. Pioneering untried ideas is risky.

While Debs was spot on within the context of the pre-New Deal era wherein he was active, the New Deal provided an unprecedented paradigm that demonstrated many successes for labor that today’s progressives ignore at their peril.

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In the same vane, or is it vain, as your comment, perhaps it would be helpful to start describing the differences between the negatives of both socialism, and capitalism. As you say, we have repeated the good aspects and peoples eyes are starting to roll at digesting those differences.

If we compare the bad parts of each it may sink in better.

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You have raised the idea that she is righteous, and they continue to be not so. And it becomes more and more obvious as they trot out obvious over reaching policy beatitudes.

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To be fair, standing for both freedom and slavery worked wonders for the nations founders and those that followed in their footsteps.

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