Home | About | Donate

Proving Kansas Is Hungry for Democratic Socialism, Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez Sold-Out Rally Moved to Much Larger Venue


#1

Proving Kansas Is Hungry for Democratic Socialism, Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez Sold-Out Rally Moved to Much Larger Venue

Jake Johnson, staff writer

Democratic socialists Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) are on a mission to debunk doubters and conclusively show that a bold progressive agenda can spark enthusiasm and win elections in the Midwest.


#2

Once again, Bernie hitting the pavement and doing what a progressives should do. Getting out and talking to people directly on issues that affect them. Amazingly it works and amazingly, few other politicians can crack this nut.


#3

I am curious what the nay-sayers will post on this article.

Click your heals together twice and say, there’s no place like home.


#4

Can’t say I know much about Kansas but Witchita is a fairly large city and I would guess is politically more like NYC then rural Kansas. Overall Kansas is quite conservative although sometimes Democratic governors are elected. Right now it is critical to prevent Kris Kobach from winning the Republican primary for governor. The ACLU is one organization that has been working hard this. If Kobach should become governor good luck finding people on the left in Kansas who are eligible to vote.


#5

To flatly declare that the US heartland is immutably “conservative” (was there ever a more misunderstood word?) requires willful distortion of history by the declarer; to believe it requires ignorance of history—whether willful or by force of propaganda—by the believer.

Farmer-labor activism and granges began, not in the cities, but in the agricultural areas, where looking out for one’s neighbors is a survival strategy; looking out for one’s neighbors is also why we unionize, and why we struggle for housing, health care and education for all. Those of a more religious bent might call it putiing the Golden Rule into practice.

People are not the fearful, atomized, self-absorbed creatures of Ayn Randian fiction. It’s just that not for a very long time has anybody in major-party politics appealed to their better nature. Trump’s election was in large part due to his co-opting of progressive themes, which HRC ran away from as if terrified.


#6

Also, major midwestern cities such Milwaukee, Chicago, Cleveland, Saint Louis, The Twin Cities, Both Kansas Cities, Des Moines and the Quad cities, etc. were bastions of socialism.

I think these two Naw Yawkers are showing a bit of provincialism and elitism in their “discovery” of the quite simple fact that working-class and poor people are poor and working-class people, wherever they may be. What a revelation!

The problem is that the Dim wing of the Duopoly has been using and abusing poor and working class people since the 30s in their quite successful role of co-opting the poor and working classes into the religion of Capitalism.


#7

I think that people, all over the ideological spectrum, confuse ideology with the policies people support. Are people, in large numbers at this point, on the ideological left? No, the country is fractured in that regard, but “liberal”, “conservative”, “progressive” and even “socialist” are words most people cannot define. What they identify themselves with in regards to ideology is really just a reflection of the information, and sometimes the propaganda, that they have been exposed to.

However, if you put aside how people see the world, the emotional attachment they have to a particular ideology, they do support the policy positions of the left, the policies they support are weakly correlated to the particular ideology that they identify with. The reason for this is class. Working people, in the US, in 2018, do not have the luxury of voting on ideology (maybe rich liberals like Bill Maher will eventually have this dawn on them), and they know it. And, we are decades into the Reagan revolution, and it has been a disaster. People can see that, people know that we have prioritized business, focused on the supply side, ignored demand, and they can see the impact this has had. What people don’t have though is faith in this system, and that is the biggest obstacle for the left. How do you get people to trust the system and politicians enough to actually bother to even vote, given the systematic corruption in the system and how cut off it is from their daily struggles?

I think focusing on ideology at this point could be a mistake, just focus on issues. Later on, we can connect the dots, tell people, “you support this policy, and that, well, we have an ideology that has long supported this stuff, has a great record of calling things accurately ahead of time, we have actual alternatives that have proven to work, and we aren’t beholden to big money interests”. I think it will be tough to beat, and I know that those policies would work and would benefit people. For that reason, we have moved on from being completely ignored, and mocked, and are not onto the fighting stage. Lots of people in the Democratic Party are hoping this all fails, they will try to help it fail. They have in many instances to this point. Their access to power and wealth is on the line.


#8

I don’t know if they will say tons, since if they continue to post here, they could have egg on their face. Some have not let go of the 2016, even thought the left called it. They will probably do cautious criticisms and then hope this all fails, and if it fails this time, of course there is always tomorrow, but they will rush in to say that there is no tomorrow. Cause we got Social Security as soon as people wanted a publicly managed pension system, right? Canada got Medicare overnight. The “pragmatists” seem to pretend to forget how slow structural changes move in a system like this, unless there is a revolution. This failed, so lets go back to their failed, dead end strategy, so they can go back to profiting off of access to power.


#9

Tammy, just asking: what is your definition of " too far left".


#10

If Obama would have don’t this, maybe his Presidency wouldn’t have ended up as a silent fart. Even Trump realizes this for Christ sake. You have to go out and fight for what you want, trump goes out to his base and just lies, but it works for him. The Democratic party BETTER get on the progressive express or they will be left behind just like those republicans that didn’t toe the tea party line.


#11

Well, you certainly won’t see the MSM talk about this for sure. They are too busy covering Trump’s constant lies and bullshit.


#12

Wichita is NOT like NYC. It is a city of approx. size as the city I live near (Springfield, mo) and politically pretty much the same. If you recall your history, Kansas was one of the early Progressive states with the farmers rising up during the depression years. It has gone stone cold conservative over the yrs especially since the 70’s.


#13

Of course you are correct (Haymarket, anyone?) No slight intended.


#14

If people are hungry enough things can be done in a reasonable time. Like Medicare. It didn’t take years for LBJ to do the right thing. There will always be those that fight doing the right thing. Why? I haven’t a clue, it’s never in their best interests.


#15

Ya, and that’s the scary part. I can imagine a world where doing the right thing got press coverage like the latest car crash. Geez.


#16

I find myself taking a good hard look at the legacy of demonization of critics of the lies of “democracy” and the genocides that western “modernism”(NOT! - precisely the opposite - proving to continually spiral into regression) demands to hang on (more often than not literally hanging)

Here, from an 1850 checklist of the enchainment of logic by Anselme Bellegarrigue:

possibilities for the enchainment of logic:

In effect, those who say anarchy, say negation of government; those who say negation of government, say affirmation of the people; those who say affirmation of the people, say individual freedom; those who say individual freedom, say sovereignty of each person; those who say sovereignty of each person, say equality; those who say equality, say solidarity or fraternity; those who say fraternity, say social order; hence, those who say anarchy say social order.

To the contrary, those who say government, say negation of the people; those who say negation of the people, say affirmation of political authority; those who say affirmation of political authority, say dependency of the individual; those who say dependency of the individual, say supremacy of caste; those who say supremacy of caste, say inequality; those who say inequality, say antagonism; those who say antagonism, say civil war; hence, those who say government, say civil war”


#17

I agree, I am just saying that it won’t happen after these elections or maybe even 2020. Medicare didn’t structurally change the entirety of the healthcare system, it changed a portion of it, and the Democrats of 2018 aren’t the Democrats of the mid 1960’s. The “centrists” (in the center of what?) want every instance where things don’t work out to be a sign of the failure of the left. They want to argue that if these changes don’t happen tomorrow that they never will. I think we have to make it clear that movement building doesn’t happen overnight, and neither do structural changes. However, things start to change pretty quickly once a movement gets enough power, it takes on a life of its own. People like Lrx want us to not get to that point. I also think it helps to have this perspective in regards to activists on the ground. Don’t expect miracles tomorrow, don’t get too down when we lose, and celebrate when we win but don’t get too high. Even after we get Medicare for all, there are still many other things in need of structural change.


#18

In the center of what? … the money


#19

Not popular opinion on the issues either.


#20

I had to double check the reference to Haymarket (old brain cells) we’ve got blackwater /academi (makes me nauseous) inspired no doubt by Pinkertons - with the added plus that “academi” nepotisitc delusions now fester in the Dept of Ed