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Rep. Stephen King, White People and ‘Civilization’


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Rep. Stephen King, White People and ‘Civilization’

Juan Cole

Rep. Stephen King objected to a comment during a cable news discussion at MSNBC that this will be the last election dominated by old white people.

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) offered an unusual defense of the racial homogeneity of his party during a panel on MSNBC Monday evening.


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It’s not only true that “our model of civilization may be very damaging,” but IS, in fact. We already have warning signs that our species is in trouble—drought and wildfires, floods, etc.—but when does a TV weather reporter attribute this to the global warming that is occurring? A local such reporter tells me that he is FORBIDDEN to do so by management!
Most climate scientists have a gloomy vision of the future, but the public is not being informed about this, and many of our “leaders” are not only ignorant about global warming, but in denial. How, then, CAN one have any hope for the future?!


#3

An interesting departure for Juan Cole and a good rebuttal to King's myopia. Such a small-minded man in such a high place. Cole was right to emphasize the scientific, economic, and governmental/organizational to refute King, and so hardly touched on music, art, and literature.

The image of Steve Martin in The Jerk, trying to keep time, comes to mind.

Isn't it true that before the arrival of Europeans to the NA continent that many parts of the extant populations were on the cusp of several "modern" civilizational evolutions? Specifically wrt to "government" and written language?


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King sez: “It’s rooted in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of
America and every place where the footprint of Christianity settled the world."

Ayuh. At least Jesus was white, eh?


#5

I would like to posit that "white civilization" isn't all it's cracked up to be. Who committed genocide in both Americas? White Christian people. Who slaughtered all those Slavic and Jewish people in the Holocaust? White Christians, and they did it to other white people. How "civilized" was all of that. In the first case they did it for profit and property. In the latter case they did it for Master Race ideology and, well, profit and property. There are more than a few ''white people" who think that profit and property and domination really constitutes civilization.
Muhammad Ali said something about the kindness you show to others is the rent you pay for your room here on earth. That sounds pretty civilized.

Peace
Po


#6

Great article. The ultra-white folks like King, are getting worried the demographics in this country are changing. They are scared to death white people will soon be in the minority. Are they afraid of loss of power as much as they are afraid their ideology will be so abhorrent that they may be the one's discriminated against?
I for one, if we don't get wiped out by climate change, would love to see everyone a nice caramel color. Then we can move past this nonsensical racism and accept the fact that we are all one race, human. The whole idea of different races is a wedge to divide us. There is only one human race.


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Look at the three major religions. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, each one teaching that theirs is the only right one. To me if religion is the cause of dissention, better there be no religion at all. Islam recognizes Christianity, Christianity recognizes Judaism and Judaism doesn't recognizes any but their own. Racism and religion goes hand in hand.


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Steve King is an Opus Dei Catholic. He is a buffoonish clodkicker and a huckster for all things wrong with industrialized agri-business. For Mr. King, the sun rises and sets on a Norman Rockwell mural, painted on the side of an Iowa barn. He's beyond embarrassing at this point.


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It's unbelievable that an "old white guy" like King is still around and gets reelected year after year by folks who ought to know better. His view of "Western Civilization" is so 19th century it makes my skin crawl.

I came of age during the Vietnam War when my whole idea of what is civilized behavior changed. When I was all gung ho about joining up and fighting for "freedom", my paper-mill worker dad took me aside and told me that the war had nothing to do with freedom or democracy but was all about money just like all wars are, including the "good" war he fought in, WW II. Killing a couple of million gooks to keep the MIC and the banks going strong wasn't his idea of spreading "civilization" around the world. He was pretty conservative even for his day so staying home and minding your own business was one of his guiding principles.

King is a big war monger. There has never been a "defense" bill he didn't like unless it was too small. It's people like him that are the reason we have the most aggressive rapacious military in the world by far. It's also the biggest single user of carbon-based fuels. So, what's going to happen first: Nuclear war or the Earth burned to a cinder by global warming? Prospects for the future don't look good no matter who gets elected president.


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There is a large segment of the middle of the country that is behind everything rep. King espouses. They believe it, and function everyday with that conviction. No Native American or Chinese labor was used for the railroads in America. What a great gift the coal powered steam Engine was for India. The Africans would never had clothing unless the colonialists wore them while discovering the indigenous. The pharaoh, of course were neither African, or ever wore clothes.

The self deception of comfort goads them into a stupor which would rather go deeper into their own Frog's well than see a ray of sunshine. Now that the economy is faltering, they might have to open one eye.

On that note, I am fairly certain that the 0 was already in the numeric system out of India, and the Arabs may have come to it first for the west. Even the Egyptians had a symbol for something like it.


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Even if King is talking about the more recent times, he is totally wrong. Has he seen the Nobel Peace Prize recipients, for instance?


#12

Very simplistic.

The Jews were on the receiving end of all that Christian "love" during many pogroms, the Inquisition, and the Holocaust.

No religion--more than the church of Rome spread throughout Europe into various denominations did more to wipe out hordes of Indigenous people, traffic in slavery, invent torture, and come up with reasons FOR war... more than white Christians.

The history on this is irrefutable.


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"It's unbelievable that an "old white guy" like King is still around and gets reelected year after year by folks who ought to know better."

The above statement is a hybrid between the rationale of the wife-beater who yells, "You made me do it!" and the #1 oft repeated C.D. Talking Point: That of blaming citizens/voters/(all) Americans and that amorphous one size fits all mass of "We."

Those who are funded to run are seen most often in media. They are funded by right wing business interests.

These right wing business interests figured out how to make common cause with the Evangelical Christians who make up a sizable voting demographic.

These people are true believers, sworn to obedience to white patriarchal figures and it is THEY who elect these clowns.

Half the time the vote counts are tainted, the gerrymandering has been scientifically calibrated (NPR had a recent guest who explained just how elaborate the game of demarcating voting districts is) to produce outcomes that are deferential to "The House," that is built by today's Casino (Wall St.) capitalists (and devised by them, as well).

So reversing the axiom to make the voter responsible for the outcomes put in place to largely shut out voters' impact strikes me as a FUNDED Talking Point.

Like I said, it's the most consistent "opinion" to show up short of Lrx supporting Clinton and a few goons pushing the "safety" of nuclear power when that topic shows up through a posted article.


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“If there is a sexual predator out there who has impregnated a young girl. Say a thirteen year old girl; and it happens in America more times than you and I would like to think. That sexual predator could pick that girl up off the playground at the middle school and haul her across the state line and force her to get an abortion to irradiate the evidence of his crime and bring her back and drop her off at the swing set and that’s not against the law in the United States of America.” Rep. Steve King

Steve King is a troglodytic moron.


#15

He also has a Confederate flag on his desk in Washington even though he represents Iowa in the Congress.


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So are you saying that I'm taking money for making my comment? Hmm...


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Tcarlson has not said anything here that is particularly controversial. You yourself note the alliance of business interests with a "sizable voting demographic" who elect idiots like King. Yes, there is gerrymandering. Yes, there is a ton of purposeful mis-information out there. But you have educated yourself to be an informed and responsible citizen so it is eminently possible to obtain the information necessary to make good choices. I have personally met many of King's supporters here in Iowa. I have attempted conversations with many King supporters. Almost to a soul they are not interested in information, but continued re-confirmation of their beliefs. And those beliefs are reflections of the kinds of things that come out of Steve King's mouth. Global warming is a left-wing conspiracy. Poor people are lazy. Social Security is bankrupting the country. Facts do not matter. It represents a form of tribalism in which great pride is taken to spout the most ridiculous nonsense as truth because other members of the tribe spout the exact same nonsense, almost as if ignorance is a form of communal religion. In fact, these people OUGHT to know better, but they would rather indulge in willful ignorance and fight real information with a ferocity reserved to what you call the "true believers." People like this watch and believe Fox News not because they seek information, but because Fox tells them what they want to hear, in a sort of deranged infinite mis-information feedback loop.

I cannot agree with your apparent premise that the responsibility for seeking out information that is informative rather than propaganda lies outside of ourselves. While TPTP do victimize us all, WE still have the individual power to recognize this and take steps to truly inform ourselves. It is in this spirit that I see a dilemma. WE, the 99%, are all in the same boat, informed or not. Some of WE, the 99%, must take responsibility for the choices they make that affect not only themselves, but the rest of us as well, by continuing to support morons like King. The dilemma, and a sad one at that, is that while vis-a-vis TPTB WE are united in interest, many of WE will just never take the steps necessary to become an INFORMED citizen, and the rest of WE, despite all of our attempts to educate, will end up opposing not only TPTP, but the ignorance that places ignoramuses like Steve King into positions of power. WE must find a way to heal the rift between the informed and uninformed, so that WE may finally recognize our common interest and finally advance a politics that serves the community as a whole.


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Good point, but Islam also recognises Judaism. In fact Islam protected the Jews from the murderous c
rusading Christians for centuries. Christianity attacks Judaism to this day, or haven't you been to a conservative church lately.


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Jesus wasn't an Amurican!??


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"Ayuh. At least Jesus was white, eh?"

i recall an interview with an "English only" proponent in the USA who - having read the Bible in English - propounded in defense of his proposed law:

"English was good enough for Jesus, and it's good enough for me."