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So, What’s the Difference Between Warren and Sanders?

Warren is not progressive.

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OK, so…First - I volunteered with and donated to Sanders in 2015/16, and have donated twice in 2019 and am volunteering again now. Though he’s not left wing enough for me on many issues, I think M4A is so humanly important, and has such political potential to form a progressive electorate that I support him anyway.

Second, Sanders’ bold, resolutely populist progressive vision of political reform clearly contrasts sharply with Warren’s more limited, ‘regulatory progressive’ vision: underlying all Sanders’ rhetoric is the belief that citizens must seize power from the rich and their government proxies; underlying Warren’s - an idea of fair and just management of capitalist power meted out by governmental regulatory bodies.

Third - despite all this - I think it is untrue, unnecessary, and utterly unproductive to dismiss Warren on the grounds that she is a “political opportunist.” She has her declared ‘core issue’ of regulating capitalism, she is modestly progressive on that ground, and - in supporting M4A and then qualifying support for it, she is openly marking herself off as a candidate from Sanders - showing sympathy, but simply not making M4A the core commitment of her campaign.

I don’t go for her, but I just see her as progressive on some issues, not others - in ways that are quite obvious.

[https://jacobinmag.com/2019/06/elizabeth-warren-medicare-for-all-health-care-policy]

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Bernie is better from the bully pulpit and the one I would chose to lead the revolution we need. But having read more from Warren lately I think she may have the more effective policies.

40% board membership for workers is Warren’s idea and going straight at t he boardrooms is the most direct route. Very Nordic!

Costs nothing, saves American Capitalism!

American corporations are nearsighted producing pay and profits chiefly for the uber-rich, while actually driven to dis-invest in their own companies in order to boost bonuses and stock values instead. Germany has far better performance, far lower CEO pay and 50% labor board representation.

This is just MAGA for corporations, making them behave the way they used to in the 70s with commitment to workers and communities and to consumers as well.

The difference is she (EW) is NOT the Gentleman from Vermont ! Bernie has been true to the progressive agenda his entire political career and you could rightly claim he is the founder of the progressive agenda. I can only hope he and Tulsi will partner up on the ticket and its a slam dunk in my mind.

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Sorry Josh I hit the wrong reply button my comment was not directed to your comment

I just donated $100 to Bernie and hope any progressive out there can chip in as well. We are toast if Bernie doesn’t win this time around.

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This speech is exactly the bully pulpit we need in our 2021 State of the Union Address!

Link: Commondreams wont allow me to post a link to Vox, but search for “Bernie Sanders Democratic socialism speech transcript”

Light on details compared to Warren maybe but 99% of voters can’t tell the difference between Warren’s and Bernie’s policies.

Those voters will be moved by this speech!

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Dear Ms. Bruenig,

There are a total of 24 candidates not 23, therefore there aren’t 21 others running besides Sanders and Warren but 22.

Why should I trust anything you tell me when you parrot the lie from the powers that be that Senator Mike Gravel isn’t running?

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Easy Peasy Warren, does what she’s told. Retracts her awareness that the DNC rigged the 2016 Primary. Retracts her awareness that Hillary Goddam Clinton is a Big Bank shill.

Easy Peasy Warren- a giant coward. Afraid to go on FOX and paints it as virtue signalling instead of not wanting to deal with the antagonism of Fox. Afraid to back Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Primary. Afraid to go against the CIA narrative on Venezuela.

Tim Black says what she proposes in her ‘plans’ are irrelevant since she has shown that she is a woman with no backbone, “Stop telling us that we’re wrong not to trust her!”

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unless at some point they unite, a less progressive candidate will get the nomination, probably Biden, my least favorite.
I don’t care whether its Sanders or Warren, the differences in reality are not that meaningful when one considers what can actually get done. Looking for flaws is a waste of time, perfection is unattainable. Beware anyone trashing either, that can only help the GOP and the 1%.

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Thank You----------why is everybody evil if they don’t agree with ones point of view. I think Warren is trying to be honest about what she can accomplish. Warren is a Roosevelt -fix capitalism-------Sanders is the great equalizer.

Warren is in a CNN townhall and people should watch this----Warren is staying on message and guess who she is talking too ??? African Americans-----Warren understands the dynamics of Institutional Racism

I think Warren could be very effective in making real change--------And look at the debate schedule ------the two women with a real voice get put on the B team. Tulsi Gabbard should be in the mix with Biden and so shouldn’t Warren.

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Puh-leeze! Hillary Clinton’s “establishment bona fides and years of White House experience” were not the reasons she got the nomination, and any journalist worth their salt would not print such a disingenuous statement.

Furthermore, The Democratic Party betrayed the will of the people when they colluded to steal the nomination for Hillary. Bernie Sanders would have been our president, but for this blatant election fraud.

Lastly, Elizabeth Warren moves in whatever direction the political winds blow. She is not a true progressive. If she was, she would have supported Bernie in 2016. Now, she’s cribbed together some of Bernie’s core initiatives, sporting her tiresome “two cents” misrepresentation of just how much tax revenue from the wealthy she’s talking about–which the corporate oligarchs will work tirelessly to prevent.

This is the first time I’ve read something on your website that I find sophomoric and misleading…

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Yes, Bernie and Tulsi!!

That understatement is almost funny. :smile:

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I love Tulsi’s message of peace, but I am troubled by someone who would join a volunteer army that goes around the world killing, for the most part, innocent people?

Anyone can discern that we have produced an Army of violent Mercenaries that create havoc and chaos wherever they go.

My question is why would Tulsi join that type of organization?

Yes, I have the same reservations. That said it has to be acknowledged that the typical US Citizen is brainwashed when it comes to “patriotism” and it hard for many to break those shackles.

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Give Mike Gravel a dollar to keep him in the debates:

I gave him $5. He’s a true American hero.

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I gave to Bernie last time and ended up voting for Jill Stein. This go around I gave to Mike Gravel, but will also fund Bernie and Tulsi and any Green running.

Your question (why would Tulsi join the military in the first place) doesn’t bother me as much (though I certainly wouldn’t have done it myself). We need allies in the military if we have any hope of reducing their size and scope of action. Tulsi is my #1 and Bernie #2 for now, but by the time March 3 rolls around, I don’t expect Tulsi will still be in the race. But if she were to become president, I think she would have a better chance to make more military changes than Sanders would (given you need to get Congress behind you and to a certain extent Congress will be listening to all sorts of factions including rank and file military). I hope to see her run again in the future (maybe she can try for a Senator or Governer prior which would probably improve her likelihood). After these two options, Warren is my #3, but she is quite a bit further down for all the reasons people have given here. That she is much better on domestic issues than Biden or most other democratic candidates who have a chance to win is not a high bar.

I gave him a $1. I did it a long time ago.

He still might make it into the July debates. He just said on Jimmy Dore today that he has 45,000 donors. He needs 65,000 for the July debates.

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