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Socialism on the Rise as Americans Seek Out Bold, Humane Alternatives to the Brutality of Trump and Capitalism


Socialism on the Rise as Americans Seek Out Bold, Humane Alternatives to the Brutality of Trump and Capitalism

Jake Johnson, staff writer

The thousands of democratic socialists in the United States who have been organizing and fighting for justice in political obscurity for years likely never thought their ideas would be the subject of heated debates on prominent talk-shows like "The View" or feature pieces in such establishment mainstays as PBS and NPR.


That is a false dichotomy. Socialism is not the opposite of capitalism.

Capital requires access to resources which are turned into commodities.

Socialism is the sharing of those commodities to the most people as possible.

However, both require the resources from the ecology to exist in the first place. Resources don’t just magically appear. And both fail when there are too many people and too few resources.

Capitalism fails, then so does socialism when habitat collapses, resources become scarce and population increases. At this moment, every city in the world is using the same resources.

And the population of the planet increases at three additional people per second.

Thus, capital fails to produce commodities to share as the ecology is finite.


I think we should be talking about the Nordic System, which is social democracy wrapped in free market capitalism.

From Wikipedia:

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, the Faroe Islands and Sweden). This includes a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level with a high percentage of the workforce unionized, while being based on the economic foundations of free market capitalism.[4][5][6] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[7][8]

Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a “universalist” welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[9] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[10]


Then add to that something new. A realistic approach to having children. Do you need children to be happy? Will they provide some function in society besides use up resources?

Would your time be better spent doing something else? You must adopt three before having one. Things like that.


I think the Occupy movement started this discussion of moving away from capitalism toward socialism. I think politicians like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have taken advantage of this by substituting “democratic socialism” for “welfare state.” What both are actually advocating is a welfare state like Sweden or Denmark. No politician seems to be advocating socialism such as in Venezuela where the state took over some major industries. What is on the rise is savvy politicians who have learned out to get votes on the left while still being for capitalism.


Is not law enforcement, the fire department and the military socialized?


Bernie Sanders pre-dates the Occupy movement.

Let’s give credit where credit is due. In all likelihood the Blue Wave would not be happening if not for Sanders, his efforts and educating the public during the 2016 election. With any luck the Blue Wave will turn into a democratic socialist tidal wave by 2020. The fact that this is even happening now is monumental, Bernie did this.


By calling themselves ‘democratic socialists’ progressive Democrats such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has revived interest in the subject of ‘socialism.’ More people are trying to find out what ‘socialism’ means.

For many, ‘socialism’ means a series of reforms to make American society fairer and more democratic—more like what exists in West European countries and especially Scandinavia. They want the capitalists who own most of the means of life—the land and other productive wealth—to pay more taxes. They want more effective government regulation of their business activity but never talk about the need to replace capitalism by a fundamentally different system.

For others ‘socialism’ is associated with the ‘communist’ dictatorships that used to exist in Russia where the means of life were owned by the state and controlled by officials - a state-capitalist centralized command economy.

However, there exists another tradition of socialist thought in which socialism means neither the reform of capitalism nor state-ownership. It means social (or communal) ownership—that is, democratic control of the means of life by and for the whole of society (the whole community). It also means production for use not profit. It views socialism as a worldwide society. The interconnected nature of today’s world makes it impossible to create a new society in a single country. Capitalism is a world system, so socialism too must be a world system.


Yep, public libraries, police force, social security, Medicare, etc. These are democratic socialism (some consider them socialism because most are social programs (for the whole of society) paid by the government) – NOT to be confused with straight socialism which tends to lend towards the government owning the means of production. (Like that would ever happen in the US, hey Apple, Amazon, how 'bout it?) The VA, however, is pure socialism. The government owns (or rents) the buildings, pays the doctors and support staff, etc.

With democratic socialism long strides towards equality, health care for all, tuition free college, improvements to SS/Medicare, etc would or should be the goal.

“The key difference between socialism and democratic socialism is that democratic socialists don’t want the government to own the means of production and socialists do. They believe that certain general social goods like health care should be run by the government, but otherwise support capitalism.”


Socialism on the Rise as Americans Seek Out Bold, Humane Alternatives to the Brutality of Trump and Capitalism
"Socialism is no longer a dirty word in the U.S."

Just want to add that Capitalism didn’t “fail us” — that’s BS.

Capitalism succeeded in what it was created to do . . .

Capitalism is intended to move the wealth and natural resources of nations from
the many to the few – and it has done that successfully all over the world – !!!

And, Capitalism was created by Christianity when Feudalism was no longer sufficient to
run its Papal States.


One of the female organizers of Occupy was arrested for assaulting an pig who grabbed her breast from behind but she was targeted, convicted and sent to Rikers Island. Rikers is now closed because it was a rat infested hell hole. You can do a lot in America but you can’t mess with the money and when you start messing with Wall Street and the World Bank and eternal war you are poking the beast in the eye. They don’t like it. The NYPD officer attacked her. The social network works but it will be murdered by Republicans for spite. It is the same as legalizing pot. Justice knows better but really they keep it illegal for spite and enriching the CIA who ran the crack cocaine from Central America to black neighborhoods and Gary Webb the print journalist reported it and won a pulitzer and the CIA murdered him.
What are we going to do? Our government is so evil it creates the enemies our military fights, harvests poppies and follows World Bank orders, the all seeing third eye. The spies.
Bernie galvanized a movement Obama helped create and then abandoned and then against all intelligence talked Bernie into quitting so the controversial Hill could lose. We lost the house, the senate, the presidency and the Supremes during Barry from Kenya’s rule. What did Barry get paid to corral Bernie? It is difficult to fathom or predict what this scale of evil will do if you are not this retched. Sometimes during history a leader has risen from the ash to lead us. Usually the FBI, CIA, Army Intelligence or the mob then assassinates them. We need a 3D printer for sanity.


Sanders’s platform is almost indistinguishable from Tony Blair’s in 1998.
The first task of socialists in the united states is to confront the imperialists, the military Industrial complex and the Israeli lobby. Unless that is done no lasting reform is possible.
What is very disappointing about Sanders is the rapidity with which he has put on the mantle of Russophobia.
So long as the United States is determined to crush Russia it must spend the bulk of its budget, the greater part of which is produced by hideously inequitable taxes (because the rich ‘wealth creators’ need gifts from the poor to encourage them to continue ‘creating wealth’), on imperialist adventures, one of the most extravagant of which is the zionist military colony/vase in Palestine.
Socialism is needed because it implies real democracy, involving all the people. Without it none of the ecological/environmental crises can be solved.


I’m not so sure you are right, discover.

It is commonly asserted that all resources are scarce and always will be and that human wants are unlimited and so can never be satisfied.It is in capitalism’s defence that some say without a class of entrepreneurs nothing can be produced.

The truth is, of course, that human wants are not “unlimited”. “unending” or “insatiable”. In practice what we want is relatively limited and quite reasonable. We want decent food, clothes, housing, household goods, travel facilities, health care and entertainment. What most people want is no doubt greater than what we are allowed to consume today as a result of the restrictions imposed by the size of our wage packets or salary cheques, but this is not at all the same as saying that our wants are unlimited.

The same goes for the claim that resources are scarce. Of course if wants really were unlimited then resources will always be insufficient to satisfy them—by definition. But this tells us nothing about the real world, about whether or not resources are in practice sufficient to satisfy people’s actual—and relatively limited— wants. All the studies that have been done regarding people’s food needs have shown that resources are more than enough to meet them. And don’t challenge either the peculiar definition of “scarcity” as meaning what is "limited in supply”. Most of the resources needed to satisfy our wants, except perhaps the air we breathe and the rays of the sun, are limited in supply in an absolute sense, but that’s not the same as saying that they are "scarce”, i.e. in short supply. Just the opposite is the case. In relation to people’s actual reasonable and limited wants, most resources are not in short supply, but are or could soon be made available in adequate quantities, in fact in more than adequate quantities.

Capitalism proves wholly unsuited for a sustainable planet but that does not mean a zero-growth, steady state economic system such as socialism that does not require accumulation of capital, expanding markets and an unceasing drive for profit will be is not viable


Let’s not confuse “socialism” with social democracy, which is what “democratic socialists” advocate - not an end to capitalism.

If the goal is for every human being to lead a dignified life - not to mention have a planet on which to do so - then the exploitation that defines the profit system has to end

And it will, one way or another. Our task should be to ensure it does so in a way that doesn’t take us all down with it.


This is one of those points in history when a concise historical run-down on economics since Hammurabi helps frame the context beyond the duopoly’s propaganda.

Michael Hudson debunks economic myths with “J is for junk economics”


They shall build houses and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards and eat fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat. — Isaiah. LXV. 21, 22.

“Now the company of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles gave their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet; and distribution was made to each as any had need.” - Acts 4: 32-36

“The use of all things that are found in this world ought to be common to all men. Only the most manifest iniquity makes one say to the other, ‘This belongs to me, that to you’. Hence the origin of contention among men.” – St. Clement.

“What thing do you call ‘yours’? What thing are you able to say is yours? From whom have you received it? You speak and act like one who upon an occasion going early to the theatre, and possessing himself without obstacle of the seats destined for the remainder of the public, pretends to oppose their entrance in due time, and to prohibit them seating themselves, arrogating to his own sole use property that is really destined to common use. And it is precisely in this manner act the rich”. – St. Basil the Great.

“Therefore if one wishes to make himself the master of every wealth, to possess it and to exclude his brothers even to the third or fourth part (generation), such a wretch is no more a brother but an inhuman tyrant, a cruel barbarian, or rather a ferocious beast of which the mouth is always open to devour for his personal use the food of the other companions.” – St. Gregory. Nic.

“Nature furnishes its wealth to all men in common. God beneficently has created all things that their enjoyment be common to all living beings, and that the earth become the common possession of all. It is Nature itself that has given birth to the right of the community, whilst it is only unjust usurpation that has created the right of private poverty.” – St. Ambrose.

“The earth of which they are born is common to all, and therefore the fruit that the earth brings forth belongs without distinction to all”. – St. Gregory the Great.

“The rich man is a thief”. – St. Chrysostom.


The US, with its pluralist economy, has long offered socialism for the rich (along with a smattering of socialized products/services). About time we saw the light.


The military is dictatorial. Socialism and capitalism entail free will. A capitalist system with a social net to protect the poor and elderly actually works, a trickle up system whereby poor, elderly, sick, dying and feeble give the funds directly back to the wealthy purveyors. Indeed, the food stamps, medicare and medicaid is allocated for specific uses and the overwhelming amount of fraud is from providers rather than the recipients, the rich not the poor. Populations increase and we have limited resources but we also have the intellect to feed, house and educate the masses if not the overwhelming energy was used to take rather than to give to murder rather than create to hate rather than love. King Midas got one wish and turned everything he touched to gold. King starved to death. King chose poorly.


discover –

"Socialism is not the opposite of capitalism."

Who says anyone is seeking the “opposite” of capitalism?
What is being sought is "Bold, Human Alternatives to the Brutality of predatory Capitalism.

"Capital requires access to resources which are turned into commodities."

A nation’s wealth and natural resources belong to the nation’s population.
The oil under Iraq’s earth doesn’t somehow belong to the US population.

"Socialism is the sharing of those commodities to the most people as possible."

Democratic Socialism is about social responsibility – not exploitation of Natural Resources,
Nature, Animal-Life, nor Human Beings which we have historically seen under Capitalism.

Capitalism doesn’t FAIL – it has only succeeded in the intent for which it was created
by Christianity when Feudalism was no longer sufficient to run its Papal States.

We must all recognize that fact as reality. It takes from the many and redistributes it to Elites/

Capitalism is a system created to move the wealth and natural resources of nation’s from
the many to the few – and it has done that successfully all over the world.

Earth’s resources COLLAPSE due to exploitation – which is the point which we are at now
with Global Warming and the earth on fire.

Exploitation of female reproduction by “Christianity” under force and threat of violence
and death has been a major cause of overpopulation.

The “Witch Hunts” were basically about destroying natural plants and knowledge of birth
control and abortion – and even ending fertility if a female wished – which was called
“Women’s Wisdom.”
“Christian” violence ended women’s control over their own bodies and reproduction and has
delivered us to the insanity of overpopulation and destruction of our atmosphere/planet.

There can only be so many birds in the sky –
There can only be so many ducks on a pond –
And NATURE shows us that reality every day.

PS: Not sure where animal-eating moves from “sacrifice” to the gods to today’s dinner …
but the SIN in the Garden of Eden is a likely bet for that lie.


RAISE TAXES ON THE RICHEST INCOME RECIPIENTS. Single issue voter here, I believe nothing will change as long as taxes remain low on the wealthiest One Percent. Under Bill Clinton the tax rate was 39.5%. He was the last president to raise taxes meaningfully on the rich. (20% under Obama) in the past 42 years.
As for socialism, good luck. See if you can raise taxes on the rich first. If you can, then maybe you might get socialism. The winds of change are blowing against you.