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'Something Is Very Wrong Here': Outrage Swells Over Deportation Raids


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'Something Is Very Wrong Here': Outrage Swells Over Deportation Raids

Deirdre Fulton, staff writer

A growing chorus of voices, including many from within the president's own party, is expressing outrage over President Barack Obama's recent crackdown on immigrants and refugees, with U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders urging the administration "to immediately cease these raids and not deport families back to countries where a death sentence awaits."


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There is irony in that this tragic roundup comes at the order of President Obama, who is the son of a wanderer from Kenya.


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I am disgusted that this act, one of forced deportation is somehow based in anti-immigration sentiment. Of all the complaints of illegal immigration I have ever seen, not a single time was the sole complaint "those FuXking immigrants" but rather, did they know it was against the law? Why is Common Dreams inventing and re-standing this straw man?

It is a slap in the face for every person who went through the immigration process, sometimes taking tens of years, to call these overt criminals "immigrants". They are not only breaking the law but entice US citizens to do so at the same time by ignoring US labor law.

And for those who say that we need illegal immigrants for this service or for some other service, I say to you. If you paid a fair wage (not a wage already depressed by an underpaid illegal workforce), had a training program that made up for years of employees subverting the system, there would be plenty of US workers. YA, illegal workers work for less, so do slaves.

For CommonDreams to take it as an outrage that Obama deports criminals as per law, shames me. Why does not ComonDreams argue for employment justice in countries these people left? Or argue that the asylum process is flawed (while demonstrating why it was not followed by those deported).

Outrage Swells is right.


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There are as many solutions as one can imagine that neither grant full citizenship nor deport those in the US illegally. All that is lacking is the will to treat these people humanely.


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The irony is, if you would deport all illegal Mexicans and other Latins, many of the US industries would be in serious trouble, the 1% would loose most of their domestic help and Trump many of his underpaid employees, which are now suppressed with the threat of being exposed as illegals.
Who would pick the fruit?
Who would clean the mansions?
Illegal immigrants, tolerated for decades, but never really accepted, support a huge section of our economy.


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What's wrong with Comprehensive Immigration Reform? Support it!

In the meantime, support these refugees from extreme violence and poverty, almost all of them are women and children.

Some US cities have organized chapters which support these brothers and sisters; join and support your chapter. Here in Dubuque, we created Dubuque for Refugee Children to help in the midst of this crisis. These are fellow humans in crisis; isn't it natural to want to help them?


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If it were not for the fate of our birthplace, any one of us could be among those being deported. All these refugees want is a better life for their children, a life without poverty, and a life beyond continuous military conflict.

My heart truly aches that the U.S. can be so callous toward those who truly need a little bit of help ... and hope.

The U.S. no longer represents the ideals and way of life I believe in.


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Also interviewed on Democracy Now (and these are interrelated stories) is Alan Nairn speaking about the death squads that were sponsored (as well as reinforced) by U.S. CIA (and related) forces, and how these sickos left open graves full of the bodies of women and children.

The key point that Mr. Nairn raised, in addition to calling for powerful figures to legally account for their actions, was the idea that "if you burn down your neighbor's house, don't be surprised if he stands on your lawn."

The analogy was offered in response to the arguments framed by mainstream media that never discuss the impacts of NAFTA (and military-style interventions throughout Central American governments) and what resulted in the form of decimated jobs, farming that couldn't compete with foods imported that were heavily subsidized by the U.S. govt., and the always tragic and inevitable link between the poverty of despair and rising gang violence.

Hence--U.S. policies burnt down the Guatemala "house," and its people seek asylum inside the U.S. because their lands, livelihoods, and right to some semblance of a safe pursuit of happiness have all been decimated.

But you'll never hear Trump or the right wing circus talk about THAT. Just the nonsense about "this is ours," and "that's yours," and "stay the f--k out. End of story." And simpleton fools buy it.


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He also rewarded the "dreamers" with an ongoing nightmare.

And how about all the wanton police violence on Obama's watch?

Or the spreading of war, terrorism, joblessness, ecological traumas to the beloved Earth and so much more.

Very few people imagined that Obama could be worse than Bush. But it's quite clear to me that U.S. Presidents serve as ambassadors, masters of ceremonies with policies set elsewhere.

And each one greases the skids to make the next set of impossible outrages possible.

Blowback IS occurring in the form of earth changes that no army can stop, control, or conquer; and a madness of weapons sales and trades; and the rising up of various segments of various population pools; and the inevitable karmic implications of so much done so wrongly to so many.


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You know Canada once had as a law "The Chinese Exclusion Act". If a person of Chinese heritage wished to migrate to Canada s/he would be breaking the law. This law soon extended to persons of Asiatic decent from India and other such countries.

Yes there were still migrants that entered the country legally but they were all white and of European origins.

It was a stupid law that needed to be changed and I do not consider any of those from the orient that entered the country when it in place as "Criminals".

Bad laws are still bad laws,


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Most of these people deported were fleeing for their lives from incredibly violent Honduras, El Salvador and Guatamala. The violence continuing from the US-CIA interventions and death-squad violence of the 1980s. Most had applied for asylum. With the recent election of a right wing government with ties to the mass murdering thugs in Guatamala, the violence, and the need for us to provide refuge from this violence will only increase. We owe it to them to provide them refuse as a very small gesture of reparations.

As far as "laws", well, you can take your fucking laws and your characterization of these frightened people as "criminals" and shove it up your ass.


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No, but our neighbor to the north does to a somewhat greater degree.

Among the friends of my brother and his partner whom I met on a recent visit to Toronto were an extended Guatemalan family. They sure have it much nicer there than they would in the US. They sometimes travel between Guatamala and Toronto by car and regard the US as just this wide, flat, hostile no-mans land, with strange units of measure, between home and the welcoming country of Canada. They sweat bullets at the border crossing on El Rio Bravo Del Norte at Laredo, and breath a big sigh of relief when they see the blue waters of the St. Clair River beneath them crossing from Port Huron to Sarnia.


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Exactly! NAFTA was absolutely devastating to Mexican farmers.

In the aftermath of NAFTA's inception, two million Mexican agricultural laborers lost their jobs and eight million farmers were forced to sell off their land at fire-sale prices. They simply could not compete with more technologically advanced American farming, especially in producing corn, which remained heavily subsidized in the United States. The suffering of Mexican farmers under free trade terms is a stirring example of Friedrich List's "kicking away the ladder" thesis, and should provide a cautionary note for additional Latin American countries joining the TPP.

More than likely, TPP will be even worse than NAFTA for Latin America, especially Mexico.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34322-bleak-prospects-for-latin-america-under-trans-pacific-partnership#14522966526671&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=


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I'm not defending Obama, but as a technical point, the POTUS does not control the day-to-day decisions in every agency, nor does he usually know what every agency is doing. And as long as the agencies are working within the laws, the president does not even have the power to dictate every agency decision even if it were possible to keep track of what is going on in hundreds of agencies. The agency heads well under the cabinet secretaries are civil servants, not presidential appointees, often hold political views very different than the administration. High-level civil servants, like most 6-digit income white males, are pretty right-wing as a rule - and wield a lot of power in the day-to-day stuff.

So, a "crackdown by Obama" is not a proper way to characterize it. It was a crackdown by someone heading a certain district office of ICE in the DHS. Of course Obama does know about it now, so if he does not tell the DHS Secretary to stop it, he does take responsibility.


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I agree that it is tempting to call the Trump-heads simpleton fools, but as you frequently point out here on CD, the US public is abysmally ignorant of what goes on in the world, because they are continually misinformed (or, not informed at all), and outright lied to, by the education system, the media, and the government--so it's hardly surprising that they have the attitudes that they do. All their lives they've been fed the crap that the US is the 'shining light on the hill' and that the foreign masses are just jumping at the chance to come to the US to take advantage of all the benefits of life here. So that's what they believe, unless they've had the time and interest to look at actual history. They sure as hell aren't going to get it on the 6 o'clock news, as you know.

I'm glad you mentioned the great Alan Nairn segment on DN--it was well worth viewing, for those who haven't done so yet.


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Gracias por el sarcasmo, hermano. :grin:

Besides that fact that many in the US are ignorant of the US obligation, under international law, to provide refuge for people fleeing life threatening situations, its also true that many in the US are ignorant of the US government's role in supporting oppressive military repression of civilian populations and in maintaining oligarchies in Latin America that have, to a large extent, forced people to flee their homelands. Many in the US are also unaware of the violence created by the US government policy of deporting large numbers of gang members, who grew up in the US, to Central America.


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I was glad to learn that mi abuelita, Hillary Clinton, "has concerns", about deporting migrant children. (Sarcasm)


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