Well, you simply don’t have any evidence for that in your comment and the evidence to the contrary is rather compelling, so you can be ignored for now.
Spreading 'Like Wildfire': Majority of Americans—Including 74% of Democrats—Now Support Single-Payer
This evidences an ignorance about how Medicare works. True that Medicare negotiates lower rates, but, unlike insurance companies, they don’t have death panels a/k/a insurance benefit managers to insure you don’t get treatment. Medicare is what they call an “entitlement” which means they have to pay for what you need. Insurance doesn’t work that way. Their motive is to not pay at all and if they do, they take a huge chunk out of what the healthcare provider ought to have been paid.
The least expensive health care is you and your doctor and the staff she needs to handle health care. Period…Every third party paper pusher, industry or government, drives up costs dramatically.
As I noted above, having government in the mix does not, in fact, drive up the cost dramatically as you assert.”:
Whoah, RockyMountain View! Didn’t you hear FightThePoorer? Doctor and patient is cheapest, “Period.” Don’t you GET it? Period means, ‘THIS BROOKS NO ARGUMENT!’ The mere claim has the power of truth and law.
Argumentation and evidence are insubordination. Police! Proletariat rising up!!!
While, it is phased in over four years and does not expand services as much as the House bill, the principal funding mechanisms of Sanders proposal are basically taxes on the rich. His proposed funding mechanisms are listed at
Taxing the rich to pay for it ? Not exactly, as if only rich pay through their taxes. Yes, it would be paid through taxes, but those taxes are on everybody. My wish is for America to create a program similar to the same types of programs they have in the UK, Canada, Australia, Gewrmany, France, Sweden, Norway, etc… Those are exemplary programs that really support their people. America does not need to re invent the wheel on this one. If everyone else can manage to do this, why can’t we?
Tom Johnson? Why is your name coming up on my screen for my comments? Do you really want to get into what us discussion board old timers have called flame wars? My reply was not controversial, so I don’t know where you are coming from besides outer space.
Hey congressperson, Give us the same medical coverage you enjoy. You are hired to represent ,we the people. Truth is YOU represent the health insurance industry. Whores for money in order to remain in office. The sheeple are shorn each election tuesday.
short answer…don’t volunteer for war especially wars started by liars-in-chief.
That sort of sounds like a Tea Party call to get just get the government out of health care period. The cost of health care are going up everywhere regardless of the system. The US has the problem of defensive medicine where physicians afraid of malpractice suits run extra tests which can be very expensive. Obviously all the CT scans, MRI scans, PET scans, etc are expensive due to the equipment and trained technicians involved as well as experts needed to interpret the results. Laboratory testing also can cost a lot. There are all kind of surgical procedures that are performed. Various scoping procedures are common and expensive. Some drugs that are not commonly used can be very costly. When you want the best medical care available it is going to cost a lot of money. Government is not the problem but it could find ways to reduce costs.
Actually, the medical equipment is expensive, however, with the prices doctors charge patients, it really doesn’t take long to pay it off.
The polls have already shown that “Medicare for ALL” is the term to use…not single payer. Much higher percentage of people when asked vote for Medicare for all!! And when you think about it, all Congress would have do is drop the age to qualify. Right now it is 65. Just make it 55 and above …then 45 and above until finally everyone is covered. How easy is that?
I just watched an elderly woman walk away from the prescription counter at Rite Aid/Walgreens Caribou Maine in tears because she couldn’t afford the prescription. Single payer was due a century ago. People are dying of common and curable illnesses because of greed and profiteering from medications that cost pennies to produce and most of the R&D is done in college labs and by government grants. Gutless putz like Paul Ryan should never have been allowed through the doors of the house, now he is probably on his way to lobby for the drug industry. We have created this ugly mess, how do we undo it?
All indications are that here in Canada the Liberal Governmnet will introduce Pharmacare Nation wide which will be modeled on our Universal Health Care system and ensure all Canadians can access prescription drugs which will be paid for using the single payer model.
If THAT gets off the ground the Conservatives will be on the outside looking in for a long time.
It worth pointing out that when Stepehn Harper in power and the Conservatives had a majority , while there underlying belief is that the model for providing model care should more closely resmble that idiotic model that they have in the USA , they could do little to erode the current system knowing full well it would cost them heavily at the polls.
This is a simple fact. Prior to he introduction of our system at the Federal level in Canada in around 1972 , our systemw as very much like that in the USA. SINCE that time not only have health care costs dropped relative to what Americans pay, but life expectancies and positive medical outcomes in Canada have increased more rapidly then in the USA, this even as Canada grew more ethnically diverse.
In other words the Government model outperforms the private for profit model.
Please get this story to local media and encourage everyone you know to write to the local media to make the case for single payer HR 676.
yes, the VA system is more akin to the NHS.
There is no help. This as been going on for 17 years, with no attention. My Congress critters are tone deaf.
The mass media has been hijacked. When Ted Turner sold CNN, that was the end of liberal media. Amy Goodman is (almost) all we have left.
You are woefully uninformed.
Call them what you wish. But those “liberals” are typical Republicans. They are more interested in where their next corporate campaign donation is coming from (Pelosi, Schumer and the rest)
“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”—Schumer
Your list contains some very different systems. The UK has a system like the VA. Canada has a system like Medicare. France covers everything and has good results, but has high out-of-pocket costs - so people have to buy private insurance to avoid those. Germany’s system is a multi-payer system more like a version of Obamacare that covers everyone with mandatory private insurance added on top of government insurance for most, little to no expenses for the poor and for children, and paid by a regressive tax system that has a cap on contributions. Sweden’s system is government funded at the local rather than national level. Norway’s system has private spending on health care at one of the lowest levels in the world (a $250 deductible per year for regular care and another deductible for specialists is about it).
All these systems do better than the U.S. in terms of costs and outcomes - but each country has it’s own model. The debate in the U.S. seems to always be about who will pay and what will be covered. To me those questions are obvious - single payer is the simplest and progressive taxation is the fairest and essentially all (non-elective) health care costs should be covered. But answering those questions doesn’t automatically make the system produce the best outcomes. We also need to answer the question of how to incentivize innovation, quality, efficiency, and affability of experience.
An approach so sane that I can’t be allowed to opt out of it?
I’ll not oppose “single payer” at all as long as it’s self paying, i.e., has iron clad rules about what taxes go into it to pay for participants health insurance and it’s voluntary.
I’d be happy to handle my own healthcare with health providers as long as we are both exempt from the wonderful benefits and the taxes and rules needed to pay for all of that.
Oh, we can’t allow choice on that can we?
“You can choose not to use it!” as long as your forced to pay for it will be the reply here.
I want to keep the government out of my bedroom, gun cabinet AND medicine cabinet.
The Stateists here will scream that any limitations on the reach of government will result in some sort of Mad Max Somalia.
Not true. There is a place for limited government in country of adults.
People who want to be taken care of by some “higher power” are children at best.
I say at best, because children might one day grow up to be adults.
C. S. Lewis
The entire Washington single payer movement, including good old sell out Bernie, is nothing more than a pile of political bully poop. Neither wing of our Wall Street Owned One Party System (WOOPS) is going to propose and pass a single payer system that will, by being a true national health care system, totally wipe out at least a trillion dollars or more in annual profits to the Medical Cartel (MediCart). Please disabuse yourselves of the notion that any elected official to a Money Seat in the Feral Government is going to do anything to help We, The Rabble. It just ain’t in their job description! Medicare and Medicaid provide slightly over 60% of the profits to the largest health insurance companies and if you think blind loyalty to people like Sanders and the rest of the New Democrat Party is going to do anything for We, The Rabble then you deserve not to get the health care we deserve as a basic human right while the rich and their corporations are not paying their fair share of taxes all while hundreds of thousands of us are dying each year from lack of health care and drugs designed for profit and not medical treatment (both uninsured and underinsured). If you think Obamacare is so great because a few people can get subsidised to purchase Wall Street’s lousy health care threshold insurance then you need to understand who proposed Obamacare and that it was designed to protect and increase the profits of Wall Street against an ever stronger tide for a true single payer system providing universal health care. The private/public insurance policies Wall Street sells and Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid and the Veterans Administration are all designed not to deliver cures and/or life extending medical care. They are simply components of MediCart’s corrupted system that we are oppressed and exploited by.
I have been disabled for over 32 years due to my time in Vietnam and am a 100% service connected, totally and permanently disabled veteran. I am on Medicare, was on SSI, AFDC and Medicaid. So I have experienced the entire MediCart system of non health care. They are all corrupt and frankly my dear they don’t give a damn about us - Yes Virgil and Virginia there ain’t no Santa Claus. After being a patient for over 20 years in a VA teaching hospital connected with a university medical school I believe that at least 95% of those training to be doctors and nurses go into medicine motivated to treat us. It is only after doctors become residents and begin to manage cases that they quickly learn how corrupt the entire system is and repeatedly see that outside of ER care for genuine emergency care profit controls virtually everything they do. After so many years of education to obtain a medical license few are willing to risk loss of license to fight MediCart. Doctors and even hospitals have a right to complain about reimbursement rates under MediCart and it control of all of the federal medical non care delivery systems. As it stands now nothing much is going to change. With the looming economic implosion we will have the opportunity to change the entire paradigm of economic governance and institute a government where We, The People are actually the source of government and not the 1% who wrote and instituted the Feral Government and have exploited us since before the so called Revolution. Instead of your majesty, lords and ladies we now just call them Multi-Billionaires. Until we end the capitalist system of economic governance we will all continue to be nothing more than profits and not citizens.