President Trump actually almost got something right the other day. Americans should be worried about a return of “McCarthyism,” the kind of list-waving, name-calling, career-destroying mass hysteria that was pioneered in the 1950s by then-Wisconsin Sen. Joseph McCarthy, over his invented claims that the U.S.
Socialism works well for the PEOPLE and capitalism works well for the .01% and those with inherited money. There are more of WE the People than there are .01% and those with inherited or stolen money. After looking at what Manafort had, then it appears that certain professions have a wonderful life—if they don’t get caught! : )
Without a middle class, America is NOT buying houses or cars or investments----- or much of anything except cheap crap from Amazon-----With capitalism, we devolve into the serfs and the feudal over lords and pretend kingdoms like the corporations. If you want to implode your nation—and a big part of the world—keep doing what you’re doing----although 01% —there really is no guarantee that— in the coming planet debacle ----that anyone will be able to keep anything. Maybe reforms NOW make the best sense—( that would be more socialism, of course) : )
Hickenlooper is as fucking moronic as is his name. This jerk owned a micro brewery and was against rec marijuana EVEN after it was passed by a vote by the people of Colorado. Have read that he even was giving “thought” to running with Kasich as “independent”. This guy is a political joke.
Quit talking about “Socialism”. What is meant by AOC and Sanders is what ALL European countries have. The things we DON’T HAVE. Like universal healthcare, free college & trade schools, real progressive taxes, freedom to form & join unions, low cost or free prescription drugs, laws that actually keep their industrial base in country and many more things that help their citizens. It ISN’T government takeover of industries and the means of production.
Regarding the enormity of the Democratic field contending for president in 2020, cui bono? The Republicans who want to sow discord in the opposition, that’s who. What are the odds that many of these Dems are being cajoled into throwing their hats into the ring by dark forces whispering “C’mon, what do you have to lose?”? Call me a cynic; I’ve been called worse.
Bunch is another pundit who either still doesn’t get it or is playing the game of trying to come off as being on the same side as progressives so he can later blend progressivism and neoliberalism.
Capitalism isn’t broken. It’s supposed to make some people extremely wealthy at the expense and yes, even death, of many others. The capitalism we have in this country is doing a wonderful job of it. But to talk about “broken capitalism” or of an imaginary point in US history when it made sense to be a “proud capitalist” is beyond the cluelessness and ideological schizophrenia we have come to associate with the two major parties since Reagan and Clinton.
In case anyone hasn’t figured it out yet, there is a game being played on blogs and commentary websites among writers trying to influence the 2020 election, and here’s how it works:
They pick a progressive topic, say on Israel, Medicare-for-All or the broader topic of Socialism. Then they carefully craft their essay to criticize the GOP point of view on the topic that, at this point, couldn’t get any more fascist and oppressive. But at the same time, they let it be known that while the progressive goals are admirable and they can even respect people who fight for those goals, (here is where they draw in readers who have been ready to work for Sanders, Gabbard or even Warren,) they do so in a way that is actually critical of them.
This supportive-in-a-sympathetic-mainstreamer way, sets us up for round two, when they announce that, as admirable as those progressive goals are, it is more pragmatic and realistic for us to vote for, say, Joe Biden.
Or, in the rhetoric of this article, there is not just one McCarthyesque witch-hunt featuring rabid fascists demanding that we identify ourselves as proud capitalists, there is another, more subtle witch-hunt that demands we say that Capitalism be fixed, or that we return to a time when Capitalism worked for the “drowning Middle Class,” (still waiting for a Capitalism for the poor.) Then round three comes when they let us tear each other apart on the message boards for either being too mainstream or too unrealistic.
We need MORE cynicism. It is now one of our checks and balances on government.
It seems that most socialist type countries are happier. With a high tax base they have things , already mentioned on this thread, that make their lives more sane. Relief from the worries of healthcare costs, schooling endeavors, and they still can afford a robust military, have a good handle on infrastructure spending, and a less bigoted society.
Let’s get to work. End gerrymandering and voter suppression. Get the right people representing us. No red, just green or blue.
Put climate disaster on the political discourse along with healthcare and education for all and give the vote to sixteen year olds !!
Plus frequently broadcast the facts that “sump-pump” is using the rhetoric of the 1930 fascists which is the most dangerous mantra yet. Inciting hatred is have global consequences.
“… the defenders of the American way — on the TV show most watched by our D.C. elites — are demanding a mindless loyalty oath to the system that enriched people like them at the expense of the masses.”
Um, what is this ‘MSHRC’ of which you speak? And why should I care?
First, why are Democratic Presidential wannabes going on Mourning Hos’ blabfest, anyway? Those curmudgeonly, stiff frat boys and sorority sisters are all still trying 36 mos. later to wash their hands, and smallish brains, of being the best Trump promoters the right wing had in 2015-16.
They did it for ratings ( money ) so there moral grounding is the same as Trump’s rotten garbage. Joe Scarborough was a bloviatin’ dirtbag 25 years ago, the center-right’s ( mostly rightish ) poster child as much as Newt Gingerich in his dismal heyday, surely. Progressives don’t look to Newt Nuts and that ilk for direction on overall policy, hopefully.
Being " framed in " by the likes of this crowd is the dumbest thing any serious Democratic candidate could do right now.
Would you have egg-sucking dogs guard your only henhouse? Would you let those same dogs get their early training from a pack of coyidogs?
"Hey Trump! Where’s your Roy Cohn?
"Oh, there he is. Whispering sweet nothings in Joe McCarthy’s ear. Such a sweet little guy he was."
"Hey Trump! Where’s your fixer Michael Cohen?"
"Oh, that’s right. He’s getting ready to warm up a little jail cell for you."
"He’ll be getting out right around the time that you’ll be going in."
"Isn’t that special?"
Thanks for putting Green before Blue.
I try to be respectful, but in my elderly state of mind, I don’t give much ground these days. If hippie utopia is out, then I hope for the greenest government we can elect.
I like Morning Joe. Do understand that Scarborough is a former republican congressman. But they actually talk about foreign affairs—and do offer differing points of view. What is SO sad is that people like Chris Hayes or Maddow will barely mention Venezuela. I don’t have a problem with this line of questioning----I can hear Sen Warren answering these questions with ease----she has stated she is a Capitalist----but she points out that healthcare can’t work in a capitalist structure. Warren was on Morning Joe but I think Joe was hiding.
And just note —if you really want to see the elite go bonkers-----talk about the COMMONS------WHO “OWNS” THE WEALTH OF THIS NATION?
I’d rather MSDNC or Joe Blow or Mika not talk about Venezuelan domestic affairs/voting, et al, rather than spreading lies and propaganda. They’re Neo-Cons, after all.
I’m with you Gandolf. I have lived long enough, and seen how the parties of the Duopoly work, and as much as they say what people want to hear, my elderly brain refuses to believe they will ever change by putting the People before the Military Industrial Complex.
Oh no, I believe it is perfectly realistic at this point to assume that. Specifically they want to drown out the voices of the Dem candidates that they know can beat Trump, such as Bernie, Tulsi, Warren, and Yang.
- To the wealth that controls America’s economy and owns America’s government , capitalism isn’t in need of fixing… it’s already been fixed. The economy and governing will remain corporate capitalist until both the economy and governing model collapses.
- ANY economic analysis, socialist or capitalist, that does not address limited natural resources, environmental and ecological concerns, in it’s discussion, is not valid in the early 21st century.