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"There'll Be More Death": Trump Says He Is Willing to Sacrifice Lives to Reopen US Businesses

There is NO martial law happening in the U.S. just a bunch of whinny morons that are too damn selfish to care until the shit actually happens to someone they love. The virus is real, it’s not a hoax.

Haven’t voted for either since I first made that mistake when I was eighteen voting for Bill Clinton against H.W. Bush. I’ve voted third party since. I’ll probably never vote again.

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I’m 70 years old. Trump does not care if I die. Guess what? I do not care if Trump dies.


Donald needs to be notified that our citizens prefer to remain safe to go on living. It’s their right. Since he acts as if it is no big deal and to set his own example, it is his own right to sacrifice his life and those of his cooperating family members to prove how committed he is to his concept of “there’ll be more death.” He’d then see what a big deal it is.

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Not sure I’ve seen anything about this on CD, but it is worth noting, especially if you happen to be either the parent or grandparent of young children:


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Lucra Supera Vitae


TRUMP - “I’m viewing our great citizens of this country to a certain extent and to a large extent as warriors. They’re warriors”
GARY H - Fuck You Trump - I’m ain’t no warrior for your agenda.


By internal medicine specialist Dr. Mike Methner:

I am an Internal Medicine Physician that is well versed in infectious disease. I have been following the out break of the coronavirus covid-19 since Jan. The articles I have read or linked and referenced below for convenience. I started my research with The World Heath Organization. China Joint task force commission on covid-19.


I have read the article by the Journal of American Medical Association on covid-19.


I have also done extensive medical literature research in regards to this pandemic.


The World Heath Organization has a CFR (case fatality rate) for the coronavirus covid-19 between 2.3-3.4%. The Spanish flu of 1918 had a CFR of 0.95%

– dks

– dks

Global death rate estimates suggest that the world population in 1918 was 1.8 billion. Based on this, the low estimate of 17.4 million deaths by Spreeuwenberg et al. (2018) implies that the Spanish flu killed almost 1% (0.95%) of the world population.

1.8 billion * .0095 = 17.1 million dead people.
– dks


So during the Spanish Influenza pandemic of 1918 the population was only 1.8 billion so you have to adjust that to 7.5 billion for today’s population. Multiply that by the predicted number of people worldwide that will become infected at 40-70% Then multiply that by the CFR of 2.3-3.4 for the COVID-19 virus.

I’ll do the math for you – dks

NOTE: A CFR of .95% is actually expressed as a factor of .0095, just short of 1%.

A CFR of 2.3% to 3.4% is expressed as a factor of .023 to .034

40% of 7.5 billion people is 3 billion people infected.

3 billion people * CFR 2.3 (or, 3 billion * .023) is 69 million dead people.

I don’t think its necessary to plug in any of the other values for the numbers of people infected and the CFR – dks

If that number doesn’t get your attention you’re brain dead. People need to seriously start paying attention.

I sincerely hope these projections are wrong. Act like adults. Please do some basic research educate yourselves prior to speaking. Due to the failure of our current administration we are approximately eight weeks behind where we should be. We are grossly and inadequately prepared to deal with this pandemic. Sadly this has already and will continue to cause human suffering and loss of life.


Some contributors love to expose their own viciousness. Perhaps for some of them, their beneath-all-decency affect is sincere. Nihilism is considered cute & stylish in fascist quarters.

“Trump derangement syndrome” must be a prerequisite to being hired by Common Dreams. All these articles that ignore reality all for the purpose of beating on Trump are so tiresome to always see here. CD has some good reporting, but your Trump obsession really is taking a toll on your brand.

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” – George Orwell Animal Farm
I leave you to guess which animals Trump and his cronies are, and what animals the rest of us are. What really is so insanely ironic is that Trump supporters are the least equal of all but cheer on those at the top. Pure insanity which might be funny if it weren’t so deadly for the rest of us.


America, especially since WWII, has a mentality that I best describe as a “hooray for me, fuck you” type of selfishness. All you have to do to verify my outlook is walk into any grocery store and look at the toilet paper shelves. That my friends says it all about the great ole USA.

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i expect people to continue acting in a way that values the “bottom line” of corporations over their own lives, simply because they’re told to by the television. I expect people will learn nothing from any of the calamities taking place. I expect them to turn on each other, to become more blinkered, confused and tribalistic as capitalism continues ravaging the earth.

What do you expect people are going to do?

Just read Lord of the Flies to get an idea of what people are likely to do especially in the USA. Perhaps there is a small chance people will rally around each other to embrace their common humanity and create a new way of actual economic justice and equitability for all based on supporting a healthy ecosystem foremost.

“Old time’s sake” is right.

The interview question comparing C19 to the 2009-10 swine flu was hilarious in retrospect, considering we’re easily on track to exceed the number of deaths from that swine flu by a factor of 10 (and I’m again being conservative), and that’s with social distancing.

Same with the emphasis on Italy – the UK has passed them in total deaths, and several countries have passed them in per capita deaths – with many deaths to come. And in places where ICUs aren’t equipped to handle patients needing a ventilator, up go the mortality rates.

That brings up an important point: the US death rate isn’t just notably higher among the elderly, it’s higher among low income groups.

A significant fact highlighted by the professor: we don’t place much emphasis on testing for the other flu strains (some of which are corona viruses) in this country. We do a minimal amount of testing, then extrapolate wide-ass estimates of infections and deaths. That makes it harder to compare Covid19.

I congratulate the professor for avoiding making predictions. We’ve learned a lot about this virus since that interview. Anyhoo, if you’re interested in the latest science on the virus and disease, I recommend:


Just heard a high level government official, in a ZOOM meeting, claim that there has just been a ‘monumental’ turning point wrt COVID-19. The official claimed that the new MIT test for COVID-19 (ttp://news.mit.edu/2020/sherlock-based-one-step-test-provides-rapid-sensitive-covid-19-detection-0505) is like a ‘pregnancy test’ and will allow for almost ‘no-cost’, ‘nearly instantaneous’, determination of infection. His claim is that with this, and the new blue-tooth contact tracing technology (ttps://www.businessinsider.com/apple-google-covid-19-contact-tracing-smartphone-screenshots-2020-5), all people in the US will be able to resume ‘normal’ activities before labor day and that social distancing will no longer be necessary for COVID-19 since the contact tracing will allow for limited quarantine.

I doubt his claims, but I think it reflects some of the thinking of people at high levels of power structures.

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its been 7 weeks not 18 months…you would think " the richest country in the history of the world" could get by for more than a few weeks. We don’t want to die over an inflated fake Dow index. Why is there not more stimulus coming…to force us to risk death to make somebody else rich and we won’t stand for it!

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“people are dying the other way too,” said Trump. I guess that means from lack of health care and cuts in social programs.


If you find any extra truth WiseOwl you might want to put it in a safe place and save it for the future. It is becoming a rare item.

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