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'These Two Things Are Related': As Big Oil Ups Donations to Dems, Biden Says Banning Fossil Fuels Within Next Decade 'Not Possible'

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/10/16/these-two-things-are-related-big-oil-ups-donations-dems-biden-says-banning-fossil

Some people are over promising, demanding, and wanting. When I heard Biden give his reasoning it sounded to me like someone that won’t over-promise something he can’t, or won’t, deliver.
His reasons match my own about how quickly the transition should be tackled.
Hell, my 93 Dodge van may still be on the road in 2030.

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My headline: BANNING FOSSIL FUELS IN THE NEXT DECADE NOT IMPOSSIBLE BUT BIDEN DISAGREES.

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I agree. Ten years is definitely not enough time to get people transferred over to green energy sources such as wind, solar and biofuels. I’d say if we can get the entire population on board with this idea in ten years we will be doing well.

One thing that I wish SOMEONE of importance would talk about is the need to get people weaned off of animal products, since animal agriculture accounts for more greenhouse gas emissions than the entire transportation sector combined. I just don’t see any hope of overcoming climate change without dealing with this issue, and also human overpopulation and the philosophy of endless growth.

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This is why I wrote in Bernie Sanders.

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The answer, as always, “who is going to pay for it?”
That answer, as always, “The People.”
(s\ we are a socialist country afterall /s)

~https://www.visualcapitalist.com/tracking-the-growing-wave-of-oil-gas-bankruptcies-in-2020/

~https://www.visualcapitalist.com/range-evs-major-highway-routes/

~https://www.visualcapitalist.com/esg-megatrend-green-bonds/

Fun stuff.

OK, I understand the problem with ‘banning’ fossil fuels but here’s the nucleus of it: STOP SUBSIDIZING THEM !!! Then the petroleum industry can focus on polluting the world with plastic!
JJH

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These fools are intent on working with Joe (Dirty) Dough

And he’s hell bent on working them over

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Of course these two things are related. Duh! Know much about how things work in Washington?

But that doesn’t mean that what Joe says isn’t true. There’s no way you could ever ban fossil fuels in ten years. That’s just silly.

Think of all the automobiles that would have to be replaced - cars that haven’t even been manufactured yet. What about domestic heaters? Do you use natural gas or heating oil to heat your home? How about all the electric power plants? Want to replace them with even more dangerous and dirty nuclear power plants? Been to Fukushima or Chernobyl?

And even if you could accomplish something so monumental, getting the rest of the world, and especially the third world, to go along would be even more impossible.

Approaching the problem with rose colored glasses accomplishes nothing. It just keeps you occupied in the dream world and out of their way.

Let’s start by exorcising the body politic of big oil and the rest of corporate America. Some properly crafted campaign finance legislation fixes that in a NY minute, but it’s a difficult climb, considering the vast majority of our pols are suckling at that teat.

And if you really want to help the environment you should promote zero (or even negative) population growth. Either that or things like viruses and war mongers will do it for us at great pain. Anything is manageable in smaller numbers and impossible when the numbers pass a certain point.

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Anybody who said it was would be an idiot. Listen to yourselves.

Whats with all the ridiculous posturing?

Just the one country, China, alone, cannot have the lifestyle we Americans take for granted, we would need 5 more Earths for cars and trucks and shopping at Home Depo, another 3 more for India to get with it.
But really we are arranging lawnchairs on planet Titanic.
Good luck with a clever way out of overly spectacular survival success, wisdom would have been a better choice.
No worries, its been real, and all life is related in this magnificent multiverse, there’s probably abundant time enough for us to cohabitate an alternate space-time persistent illusion. See y’all in a couple megacycles, maybe Hitler’s & Trump’s parents use a rubber next iteration.

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We got to the moon in ten years, we beat the axis powers in less than five. Only an energy troll would say we can’t get off fossil fuels in ten years. It’s a matter of will, especially when solar electricity is the cheapest form of electric power now. BTW electric is a good way of making hydrogen.

I can’t never could. Over 40 years ago when I was still in the military, I had been in the field for about 5 days or so on an exercise. When I got back my boss’s deputy asked me if I accomplished everything I had wanted to do on the exercise. I told him no, that I had gotten the big ones but there were some that we couldn’t get to. "Well, he said, “that’s probably good. If you had accomplished everything then maybe you didn’t set your sights high enough.” That comment has stuck with me all these years.

Biden needs to reach higher, the same way the Squad’s and Thunberg’s of the world are doing. Maybe we can’t do it in 10 years, but if we don’t try it is absolutely certain that we won’t.

Many of us are not voting for Biden, we are voting against Trump. We need to really put the pressure on Biden beginning on Day 1 to push for the Green New Deal. This is the only inhabitable planet that we know of in the universe. Let’s try not to completely poison it before we wake up.

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~https://news.stanford.edu/2019/03/18/new-way-generate-hydrogen-fuel-seawater/

Wind and solar should be installed locally, large scale can work, but local installation prevents Puerto Rico style disasters. When you speak of ‘land bridge’ and ‘tundra’ access, it is clear you are the one who has no idea of what you are talking about. Look at how local small scale wind and solar work on sailboats. Again, it is entirely possible to be off fossil fuels in ten years with proper will and guidance.

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~https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/11-countries-leading-the-charge-on-renewable-energy/

~https://visiticeland.com/article/renewable-energy

~https://www.dw.com/en/denmark-leads-the-charge-in-renewable-energy/a-17603695

Duh… Of course it isnt possible and anybody who claims it is is a plant whop is trying to alienate people, not trying to push us forward. A more realistic target is eliminating say 25% within ten years. That is likely doable.

Lets not forget, people own cars, and many people who don’t hope to in the future. People who want to push poor people out of cities. Real estate developers, are behind this. They want to destroy the Democratic base by exporting our natural gas until its gone, destroying lots of existing affordable housing.

Millions’ rent is tied to an apartment that will no longer be there. So they will have to move. But without jobs they wont be able to so will become homeless. Its hard to afford to store all your stuff so they will lose it (This is like the wet dream of manufacturers. ) and whenever they eventually get back on their feet, (which they likely wont be ever because their jobs will be outsourced to foreign firms, which are cheaper) they will have to buy everything over again…

Wake up Americans. They really are out to get us.

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