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This Is Not a Normal Election

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/05/05/not-normal-election

Stop whining and start winning? What a lame ass and pathetic article this is. The whining is coming from the anyone but Trump crowd where they try and link any of those who do not want to vote for Joe Biden to Fascism , guilt tripping them into “You have no choice but vote for the guy the DNC wants you to vote for”.

Having no choice as to whom one wants to vote for and blind loyalty to a party no matter who the candidate is smacks to me of Fascism.

If the Democrats wanted to win they would not have offered Hilary as a candidate. If they wanted to win they would not be trying to shovel Joe Biden down the peoples throats as they suggest that people that have values and ideals that are important to them , just trade those in so that they can “win” with Joe “Nothing will change with me as President” Biden.

If people were less concerned about “winning” backing a given candidate no matter the policy just so they can claim to have backed the winning side , and had more concern over WHOM they were voting FOR and that persons history and values , you would never of had a Donald Trump in the USA.

“It all about” winning is why Clinton abandoned the left and helped accelerate the USA towards fascism when he advanced his centrism strategy and “lets go after Republican voters” and since the time of Clinton I do not see the US worker as having been on the winning side at all.

After all those that supported Trump as President backed “the winner” and what did THAT get the people of the USA?

The only ones winning are the 1 percent who own both parties. Obama did not change that and Clinton did not change that.

So perhaps it is Mr Dreier who should stop whining and perhaps it high time the DNC listened to the people rather then the dollar.

Now up here in Canada we have the NDP party which was once the CCF , a far left party that advocated for healthcare for all and enriched Social spending programs. They have NEVER won an election at the Federal level so according to this guy “They never won anything”. Well guess what? The Liberals were so concerned about the rising left taking votes from them they implemented most of the policies that the NDP advocated for.

That is a win.

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Hitler planned to kill 11 million Jews .All of them… like wiping out Native American’s at Wounded Knee it’s really the same thing on a bigger scale . Genocide is humanitys lowest level of collevtive conciousness.
Trump is no Hitler but fascism is coming to America unless it’s not !

Time to Awaken The Species .

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A vote against Trump is a vote for Biden.
So vote Green

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Dreier didn’t write one good thing about Biden - not even one.

Here’s what he writes about Biden:

“You don’t have to love Biden…”
“Biden’s far from my ideal candidate,…”

Dreier apparently could not find anything good about Biden.

The closest that he came to listing Biden’s good points is this:

“But this election isn’t just about Biden vs. Trump. This is about democracy vs. fascism.”

Dreier equates Biden with democracy. He’s writing about the Biden who proved how well democracy works within the Democratic Party by coming from nowhere to win the Super Tuesday primaries without even campaigning!

After all of that nonsense, Dreier drops a hint about where Biden stands on progressive issues:

“There will be plenty of time and opportunity to push Biden after the election.”

Translation: “We’ll hold his feet to the fire.”

(Stop laughing!)

P. S. - Biden is good for big banks, predatory health care insurance, warmongering, and cat food commissions. Gee, I wonder why Dreier didn’t mention those.

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Mr. Dreier, stop apologizing for a monster.

Joe Biden is a mortally wounded candidate, a NeoCon/NeoLiberal Monster, and he must step down as candidate:

He can’t run against lying - he’s a documented liar.
He can’t run against nepotism and corruption -Hunter Biden
He can’t run against ‘draining the swamp’, he’s been filling the swam as the Senator for Visa for decades
He can’t run as mentally strong against a deranged fool, because of his worsening dementia

He can’t run against Private Bone Spurs, because - despite being a high school athlete, he got multiple health deferments, like ChickenHawk Cheney

He can’t run against war-mongering because he’s a documented war-monger
He can’t run against the establishment because he is the establishment
He can’t run against sexual abuse (the “restoring the soul of America” BS) because of Tara Reade.
He can’t run against the Republican policies, because (historically) they’re his policies.

He has nothing to run on, except the fact that he is not Drumph - just a facsimile.
If getting rid of His Orange Malignance is the number one goal, Biden should step down for the close-second holder of delegates, Bernie Sanders, and he must do it now!

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A vote for the Green candidate in the battleground states is a vote for Trump. Do the math. The danger here is obvious. It only takes a small number of votes in key swing states—Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Nevada, New Hampshire, Virginia, Iowa, and Florida—where the margin of victory could be a few thousand or a few hundred votes, to hand Donald Trump a victory, as we saw in 2016. In Wisconsin, Trump’s margin over Clinton was 22,748 votes, while Green Party candidate Jill Stein won 31,072 votes. In Michigan, Trump defeated Hillary Clinton by 10,704 votes, while Stein got 51,463 votes. Howie Hawkins is this year’s Stein. I’m sure he’s a nice man. But he could wind up being a “spoiler” who helps re-elect a fascist president. .

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How much did Trump or Putin pay you for this?

In other words, you’ve got no argument whatsoever. I’m not surprised.

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Here’s what I wrote about Biden in an article in The Nation last week:

Biden is certainly no socialist. In the past he’s taken some positions that made him look like a corporate shill. In 2005, for example, he supported an overhaul of bankruptcy law that favored banks and credit card companies over consumers. At the time, Elizabeth Warren, then a Harvard law professor and bankruptcy expert, attacked Biden’s vote. Now, Biden has embraced Warren’s plan to roll back the 2005 law and make it easier for people to go through the bankruptcy process, including allowing student loans to be treated like other debts. Thanks in part to Sanders, and the Democratic Party’s leftward shift, Biden has adopted other progressive stances on key issues—the minimum wage, health care, workers’ rights, abortion, climate change, and college debt—and could be pushed further left during the campaign and after he takes office. Last week, for example, Biden said that the next round of coronavirus stimulus needs to be “a hell of a lot bigger” than last month’s $2 trillion CARES Act, including massive aid to states and cities to maintain essential services and avoid having to lay off teachers, cops, firefighters, and other public employees—and without the handouts to corporate America .

The question for progressives isn’t whether they can fall in love with Joe Biden. It is about changing the political playing field to increase the odds of winning fights for reforms that improve people’s lives. Michael Harrington, the founder of Democratic Socialists of America, described that as pursuing the “left wing of the possible.”

For progressives, the question boils down to this: Who is more likely to respond to pressure to move us closer to Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, and an end to student debt: Biden or Trump? This is not a theoretical question. Every vote for Hawkins in key swing states is, in reality, a vote for Trump.

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Here’s what I wrote about Biden in an article in The Nation last week:

Biden is certainly no socialist. In the past he’s taken some positions that made him look like a corporate shill. In 2005, for example, he supported an overhaul of bankruptcy law that favored banks and credit card companies over consumers. At the time, Elizabeth Warren, then a Harvard law professor and bankruptcy expert, attacked Biden’s vote. Now, Biden has embraced Warren’s plan to roll back the 2005 law and make it easier for people to go through the bankruptcy process, including allowing student loans to be treated like other debts. Thanks in part to Sanders, and the Democratic Party’s leftward shift, Biden has adopted other progressive stances on key issues—the minimum wage, health care, workers’ rights, abortion, climate change, and college debt—and could be pushed further left during the campaign and after he takes office. Last week, for example, Biden said that the next round of coronavirus stimulus needs to be “a hell of a lot bigger” than last month’s $2 trillion CARES Act, including massive aid to states and cities to maintain essential services and avoid having to lay off teachers, cops, firefighters, and other public employees—and without the handouts to corporate America .

The question for progressives isn’t whether they can fall in love with Joe Biden. It is about changing the political playing field to increase the odds of winning fights for reforms that improve people’s lives. Michael Harrington, the founder of Democratic Socialists of America, described that as pursuing the “left wing of the possible.”

For progressives, the question boils down to this: Who is more likely to respond to pressure to move us closer to Medicare for All, a Green New Deal, and an end to student debt: Biden or Trump? This is not a theoretical question. Every vote for Hawkins in key swing states is, in reality, a vote for Trump.

No, the question is, with the primary still open, why should a mortally wounded candidate endanger our chances of getting rid of the Orange Malignance. Biden should put country before self (or in his case, country before corruption) and step down and endorse the second-highest delegate holder. If he does not, then he simply shows that the corrupt interests of the DNC and oligarchy/coroporatocracy are more important than staving off incipient fascism.

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I notice that you don’t address any of the points made by Szaephod. Instead you resort to a version of name-calling.

I think that you owe Szaephod an apology.

P. S. - Who taught you that debating technique?

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First of all, Joe Biden is not being forced down anyone’s throat. The field started with 20+ candidates.
When you add up results of the primaries, most of which had 12 or more candidates on the slate, Biden has come out ahead.

Secondly, the US does not have a parliamentary system like you do. There is no “brokering” among parties as goes on in other democracies. The US is throttled by 2 large parties. It’s a zero sum game and it makes it a completely different game than you experience. Any loss by one party will likely mean the other will gain. Once in a while a 3rd party arises to reach up to 15% of votes in a presidential election (1992, Ross Perot), but the party can never keep the traction. Perot’s party fizzled by the 1996 election, which is typical.

So a Socialist like Bernie Sanders could form a new party, garner maybe 20% of the vote, but then what? That leaves 30% for the Democrats. And it leaves a Democratic party bitter at Bernie. At best things are patched up and the socialists and Democrats join forces and MAYBE get back to 50% in a few years. In the meantime, guess who runs the show?

Now, maybe thoughtful responsible conservatives will break away from the Republican party. Not likely. Because there is hardly any center in the US anymore. Anyone breaking to the center is committing suicide.

And Biden is for healthcare for all and enriching social spending programs, for reasons similar to the Liberals in Canada. If he hadn’t, he would not get the party’s nomination. The Democratic Party as a whole has moved to the left over the past 20 years.

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Cheap ass response and unfit for Common Dreams. You can not dispute the points made so try to suggest the person in question works for Putin. You should be embarrassed.

The claim that Biden can somehow have his feet held to the fire after he wins is absolute and complete nonsense. Once he has the vote , just as with Obama and Clinton before, he is obligated to do nothing for that vote.

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When it being claimed that NOT voting for Biden is a vote for Trump or that people who vote Green or an alternate Candidate are fascists or working for Putin and that there no choice but Biden , then yes he being shoved down peoples throat in a EAT this manner.

Biden is not for Healthcare for all. He said he does not support medicare for all. He stated clearly NOTHING would change with him as President.

Health care for all is change.

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To the issue of a Parliamentary democracy versus the US version. First and foremost Canada does not use a PR system as some Countries do in Europe. Canada was throttled by two parties since founding just as the US was with a “Liberal Party” and a “Conservative Party” albeit much like in the USA they had different names as time went on.

The formation of Third and 4th parties was from people leaving those parties and electing to go a third way instead. This is not unique to a Parliamentary democracy. You had the same thing in the USA with Socialist and Populist parties.

That there only two parties deemed “viable” in the USA is self fulfilling prophecy and nothing more. When those third parties formed in Canada, be it on the right or on the left they formed in much the same way your Green party did in the USA. The difference being in Canada people would VOTE for those third parties.

Now when they did this the parties on the left and the right made the exact same argument that the person who wrote this article does. “If you vote PLUG in third party name here” then that means the vote will be split means it a vote for the Conservatives (Or the Liberals if arguing from the right) and the fact is this DID split the vote dependent on what side of the political spectrum that third party was leading to “wins” for the other side.

The difference is this.

The LIBERALS changed their policy and moved way to the left after losing to the Conservatives when a pile of people started to vote NDP. They were forced into adopting the Policies of the NDP to get those people back.

They would never have moved left if nobody vote for the NDP. It would be much like the USA and is the reason you trend towards fascism in the USA. They would have ignored the left because “They have nowhere else to go and the Conservatives would be worse” and we would probably still not have health care for all.

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The DP’s propagandists use this fantasy to sucker the gullible into voting for the crypto-Republicans on the Democratic ticket. The fantasy will never come true. Biden is now what he always has been. He even said that “Nothing will fundamentally change.”

Biden may zigzag during the campaign, but that proves only that he is willing to lie to someone. Progressives who examine Biden’s 35+ year record know who that someone is.

Progressives tried to “push” the Obama administration - whoops! - the Obama-Biden administration - to the left, but all they got was “capitulate first”. A Biden-Loyalist administration will treat progressives just as badly.

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Thank you, Peter Drier, for your intrepid comparison of Trump to Hitler!

Indeed, if Trump keeps walking the path he’s on, capitulating to the establishment, left and right, he will one day begin to approach the abysmal record of his predecessors: millions of Muslim innocents butchered by Clinton, Bush, and Obama: ~http://invitation2artivism.com/minimizing-genocide/

And while President Obama caged children by the thousands and deported some three million immigrants, including refugees fleeing U.S.-created war zones, Donald Trump could conceivably catch up to him one day.

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Thank you x1jodonn, for calling out the monster Obomber, but you neglected his co-hort monster Biden.

Clinton (both), Bush (and Cheney), Obomber and Biden, NeoCon/NeoLiberal Monsters, in service of the Financial/Military/Industrial/Petro elite.

We must end the string of monsters, as it is most assuredly going to end us.

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