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Time to Hold Petroleum Perpetrators Accountable for Climate Damage

Time to Hold Petroleum Perpetrators Accountable for Climate Damage

Dana Drugmand

“We’ll see you in court.”

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I was’t able to tell from the linked NYT article whether DeBlasio’s suit is against the five corp’s individually; it would seem ripe for a RICO action against the whole rotten bunch, which allows for treble damages.

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There are also numerous lawsuits that hold the state and federal governments responsible for allowing climate change to occur. Our Children’s Trust is facilitating one of these lawsuits, for a group of 21 young people that want the US government to take climate change more seriously. It is about time to hold our governments and corporations accountable for climate change!

Sorry (not really) to burst your bubble there FossilPaul, but see:

The connection between Hurricane Sandy and global warming

New study links global warming to Hurricane Sandy and other extreme weather events

Hurricanes and Climate Change

Hurricanes and Climate Change

There are more, but I don’t want to bore the informed.

But regardless, it will be up to the plaintiffs (and the defendants) to put their case before the judge based on the evidence they have. They will win or lose accordingly, regardless of your ignorant assertions.

As an aside, does someone pay you to troll here, or is this just how you get your kicks?

They have no culpability for warming which is empirically indistinguishable from variations during an interglacial. Models are not evidence, after all.

CA’s suits are in a lot of trouble since it was discovered they’ve sued for damages related to claimed rising sea levels which they say will devastate their community…but their bond sales didn’t mention the certainty of devastation, which makes the bond sales fraudulent due to withholding knowledge which would impact their bond sales.

You seem to continue to miss the most important point – each side will present its evidence to the court. Whichever one carries the preponderance of the evidence standard will carry the day.

In the meantime, we all face an extreme calamity that threatens our very existence.

Maybe you should buy some beach front property and watch the tide roll in. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

You never answered my question. Do you work for someone here or is this how you get your kicks?

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A classic case of the logical fallacy of non sequitur. Whatever they did or did not include in their bond sale disclosures has nothing to do with whether petroleum companies are culpable for their actions or omissions.

At least tobacco companies only kill people. :scream:

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I have to bookmark this to read later; I’m interested to see what, if any, ideas are floated as to how they intend to isolate, discern & quantify the alleged damage to earth’s climate being done by each particular defendant, so as to allocate responsibility & determine fines/restitution. Or, if there are no such ideas, or even an acknowledgement of the need for them, then let’s just call this what it is: a demand for political power to be used to arbitrarily punish large corporations for the sake of ideology, rather than anything like justice.

Amazing how you keep misstating the necessary proof to win the case.

That’s the beauty of a RICO case—the perps don’t even have to have met in person. And in this case, it has nothing to do with ideology, and everything to do with ecocide. Big Oil has known for a half-century what was happening, and chose to cover it up in the pursuit of profit—prosecution for which is hardly “arbitrary.”

Not different at all. It’s an element of the overarching crime.

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Did mesothelioma victims have to identify which specific filament of asbestos caused their cancer, or prove which particular company manufactured it? No, because all manufacturers took part in covering up damning scientific data including medical reports.

And where did I suggest that Exxon-Mobil was the only corporation doing the same for their actions, or lack thereof, regarding anthropogenic climate disruption? They all knew, and covered up the evidence to avoid liability. If that’s not a criminal conspiracy, the words have no meaning.

I note with great interest that you only comment on articles which are critical of Big Oil. Whatever they’re paying you, it’s too much, when weak tea like “There isn’t any evidence that links ExxonMobil emissions to the creation of a hurricane” is the best you can serve up for them.

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I understand that in our money-obsessed society money is how we express things, and I understand that in our impotence to do anything real we turn to whatever actions are open, including scapegoating. And fossil fuels corporations who lied (pretty much all of them in the US) deserve to pay.

But
we’re all complicit in this—every one of us who uses fossil fuels they don’t have to and who doesn’t do everything they could to stop climate catastrophe.

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only when we recognize the part we all play in the systems of our society—physical, political, and above all psychological, will we start to be able to do anything that’s both effective and right. Corporations are the tools we use to hold our psychopathic impulses, our impulses to disconnect. When we blame them for doing what we designed them to do we commit yet another counterproductive action.

And
for knowingly lying, those corporations ”deserve” to pay by being dismantled, by being taken over by people who will make better decisions with the resources the fossil fuel corporations control. The people who run them deserve to have their fortunes taken away and given to people they’ve been stealing from, and who need it more, and who didn’t lie but were lied to. When we honestly and fearlessly recognize all our parts in what’s happening (beyond the GHG crisis to the larger psycho-social-political-ecological crisis) then we can replace the people making bad decisions (supposedly in our names) with people who are aware, empathetic, compassionate, and wise, and we can start to take the massive and immediate steps we need to take to avoid cataclysm.