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> > To Help Thwart ISIS, Let's Take Baby Steps Away From Saudi Arabia and Turkey

Robert Naiman

Here's two things we know for sure from key advances of the Obama Administration's foreign policy: our relationships with other countries aren't set in stone, and the choices aren't merely "friend" and "foe." We can shake hands without getting married, and we can pivot away without getting divorced. We can change our relationship with a country from "enemy with unremittingly hostile relations" to "adversary with a cordial relationship and modest cooperation" (Cuba, Iran.) We can change our relationship with a country from "joined at the hip" to "pretty good friends" (Israel.)


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"Echo and amplify" where? The people have no voice.
There is ONE candidate that wants to change that.


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To Help Thwart this, let us STOP using the term ISIS,ISL,etc...... Let us change that terminology to the "Humans of that region".
The more this terminology is used the more it separates us from them, makes them seem in-human.. This techniques has been used by Empire, by warring countries.... It has been used to make it easier to kill and injure other humans...and easier to justify the need for perpetual war and perpetual military spending.....


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From: A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (1996)

Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions. Jordan has challenged Syria's regional ambitions recently by suggesting the restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq. This has triggered a Jordanian-Syrian rivalry to which Asad has responded by stepping up efforts to destabilize the Hashemite Kingdom, including using infiltrations. Syria recently signaled that it and Iran might prefer a weak, but barely surviving Saddam, if only to undermine and humiliate Jordan in its efforts to remove Saddam.

But Syria enters this conflict with potential weaknesses: Damascus is too preoccupied with dealing with the threatened new regional equation to permit distractions of the Lebanese flank. And Damascus fears that the 'natural axis' with Israel on one side, central Iraq and Turkey on the other, and Jordan, in the center would squeeze and detach Syria from the Saudi Peninsula. For Syria, this could be the prelude to a redrawing of the map of the Middle East which would threaten Syria's territorial integrity.

Since Iraq's future could affect the strategic balance in the Middle East profoundly, it would be understandable that Israel has an interest in supporting the Hashemites in their efforts to redefine Iraq, including such measures as: visiting Jordan as the first official state visit, even before a visit to the United States, of the new Netanyahu government; supporting King Hussein by providing him with some tangible security measures to protect his regime against Syrian subversion; encouraging — through influence in the U.S. business community — investment in Jordan to structurally shift Jordan’s economy away from dependence on Iraq; and diverting Syria’s attention by using Lebanese opposition elements to destabilize Syrian control of Lebanon.

Most important, it is understandable that Israel has an interest supporting diplomatically, militarily and operationally Turkey’s and Jordan’s actions against Syria, such as securing tribal alliances with Arab tribes that cross into Syrian territory and are hostile to the Syrian ruling elite.

I seriously doubt the Saudis, Turkey and Israel have any intentions of abandoning their grand scheme to re-draw the map of the Middle East, with a Sunni State in what is now eastern Syria, founded by Islamic Terrorists much as Israel was founded by Zionist Terrorists.


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The premise of the article is that the U.S., NATO (including Turkey), Saudi Arabia, Israel, and other "allies" are independent sovereign nations. This has not been true for some time. All these countries are public sector subdivisions of the international banking cartel, which owns their central banks and controls their currency.

However, the illusion of sovereignty (and so called "sovereign debt") is maintained to keep the people worked up over so-called differences, while the puppet masters manipulate the situation to their advantage.

Turkey and Saudi Arabia are doing exactly what the cartel wants them to do. While fascism (corporate control over the state) may look different in Islamic countries than in does in Europe and North America, it is still fascism.

http://coloradopublicbanking.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-view-from-top-of-power-pyramid.html


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In other news a US Air Strike hit Syrian Army positions in Syria. The USA claims it as a mistake.

In other news a US Air strike hit Iraqi Army positions inside Iraq killing 50 Iraqi soldiers who were battling ISIS. The US claims it was a mistake.

In other news it reported the US is building an air base inside Syria in a Rebel controlled area , this without the permission of the Syrian Government.

I am still wondering where all of those Billions of dollars flown in on pallets to Iraq went to. It was reported on extensively but "Corrupt members of Government in Iraq" blamed. Of a sudden we have this group called ISIS with an endless supply of money the Western press claimed came from "Bank robberies and oil sales". Hmmmmmm.

Meanwhile ., in Yemen where the war against that country has displaced 2.5 million, Human rights groups claim British soldiers are embedded with the Saudi army and are directly helping them in that war,

https://www.rt.com/uk/326422-yemen-saudi-troops-coalition/

Let us just say I have my doubts once again that the US just an observer here , If you want to thwart ISIS US Officials have to start going to jail for aiding and abetting terrorists. The support for terrorism is driven out of Washington DC.


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That's a confusing choice of words. Usually when something is referenced as being driven out, it means it's gotten rid of. I'd edit that line to something along the lines of:

"The support for terrorism has its roots in Washington, D.C" or you could say its covert policy began there.


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... Such a one trick pony. Bash Sanders and bash Israel. One wonders if the hatred for both comes from their Jewish origins?


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I submit forthwith that all commenters here at CD clear and provided for editing with and by SR before publishing their musing to the general CD readership. That will make such comments as this unnecessary.


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Your post is an awesome eye-catcher and red-flagger. I recall reading and moderately researching the ostensible conundrum to which the military exposed itself.

The official explanations were barely plausible, at best: poor accounting practices by the U.S. military itself; no appropriate series of checks-and-balances to make sure that money dispensed to foreign troops, civilian projects, or infrastructure was properly used; exigent and dire circumstances often required immediate outlays of cash being forwarded to target entities which left woefully inadequate time to make sure that adequate controls were in place and also being used to guarantee the integrity of the funding program.

In other words, the checks-and-balances and other appropriate controls were essentially over-ridden or ignored so as to permit wholesale theft of obscene amounts of money by both the recipients and especially by those who had the power to determine and oversee the funds' distribution process. (One for you, and two for me. One for you and three for me...)

Remember that we are dealing with cut-throat pirates, just like the Barbary Pirates of days gone by.

If history is any reference point, then it is a given that a certain percentage of defense and war funds is routinely siphoned off: You can bet that such monies are used to pay tribute to certain favorite organizations and pet programs and projects, from the viewpoint of the power-elite.

A percentage is used within the countries involved in the war theatre. Bribery of high-ranking and intentionally influential regional governmental officials, military and intelligence service personnel is the norm. Also, civilian entities such as dissident groups favorable to the West's interests are funded. Also, money is secretly "donated" to favored NGOs as well as programs which further the hegemony of the West.

A major determinant is how such funds can further the consolidation of raw resources, industry, real property and future business opportunities, etc. into the hands of the most elite of the privileged class.

Also, a great deal of the ill-gotten gains is passed on to be invested by certain types of venture capitalists. These funds are usually stored off-shore. The are ultimately used to start up companies, especially military and security supplies and technologies. as well as those related to providing intelligence services.

Of course, certain powerful established individuals and families of the West are entitled, as a matter of right, to receive a share of the loot. They can then use it to thank politicians and governmental figures who help further their interests. These elites can make wholesale large purchases of whatever: from real-estate developments, financial investment opportunities, etc.

Oh well... you get the idea.


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Yes. Ironic. If you're a "terrorist" that we need, we throw billions at you. If you can't pay your taxes in the "Homeland" (substitute other--hospital bill, student loan), your home is seized and you are hounded unto hell.