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Treasonous! Impeach! Time’s Up!


#1

Treasonous! Impeach! Time’s Up!

Miles Mogulescu

As former CIA Director John Brennan just stated, “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes & misdemeanors.’ It was nothing short of treasonous.”

And as the editors of The Washington Post wrote, “In Helsinki, Mr. Trump again insisted ‘there was not collusion’ with Russia. Yet in refusing to acknowledge the plan facts about Russia’s behavior, while trashing his own country’s justice system, Mr. Trump in fact was openly colluding with the criminal leader of a hostile power.”


#2

Impeach the Bum, now!


#3

As Commander in Chief he has failed to protect the United States while being attacked. He should be tried in a military court for treason.


#4

“Hang him up! Hang him up!”


#5

That would be a wonderful thing to see happen if another idiot like pence was not next in line.
Impeach both of them.


#6

LOOK - this whole thing (Washington) is a den of thieves and liars. Who can we really believe anymore or ever. Even before this meeting, most of us on here knew what Trump was all about and that he is no good for the US or the world. I’m sure Putin has things on Trump. I don’t really feel like taking sides with Trump or the right wing politicians and the government agencies. They all are of questionable character. Maybe it is better to just sit back and watch them destroy each other.


#7

Perhaps it would be easier to proceed to indict Pense, Ryan and others down the chain of succession. They have all failed to fullfill their sworn duties and they don’t have the level of immunity the POTUS does.

Getting rid of Nixon was made much easier by first getting rid of VP Agnew and other complicit crooks down the line.


#8

The Constitution is explicit in its definition of treason. Federal statute is explicit in what constitutes an enemy. Since we are not legally in a state of war with Russia, what Trump did is not treason. I don’t care if he got down on his knees and blew Putin on live TV while humming the Russian national anthem! Nothing Trump can do or could have done vis a vis Russia can be legally considered treason. There are a million other better reasons to oppose Donald Trump. While cathartic, accusations of treason is not one of them…


#9

The Senate would have to chop pretty far down the tree of office holders when impeaching members of the Executive Branch, to get far enough down to avoid another Trump acolyte. Mike Pence, unfortunately, is a more experienced, but more unctuous, politician. The Republic would be better off to let the people working the case do their collective job, indict, charge, try, and CONVICT the right people rather than get into what will likely turn out to be a very messy scrap with a bunch of hard right thugs.


#10

Pense taking over the oval office would indeed be tantamount to throwing the 99% from the frying pan into the fire.


#11

Hang em high.


#12

One at a time.


#13

Donald Trump coddles dictators and brutal human rights abusers. His has fawned over Kim Jung Un, Rodrigo Duterte, Mohammad bin Salman , BiBi Netanyahu, etc. Putin adds to the list.

US plutocrats have already eviscerated most semblances of democracy remaining in the US. Any efforts by Putin/Russia to undermine US democracy can only go so far.

Focusing on grassroots community based organizing is much more effective than wasting time and energy in futile efforts to get Trump impeached. This organizing the only means by which profound and lasting change will be pushed in the US.

Many folk seem to have forgotten the chances that occurred in the US between September 10 and September 11, 2001. A coordinated set of domestic attacks and the US political power structure nearly unanimously embraced militarism, suspension of civil and human rights, and pre-emptive war. One actual or fabricated ‘terrorist’ disaster and Trump is certain to declare a national emergency, suspend the constitution, and then who knows what. A powerful grassroots resistance is the best way to prevent this.


#14

I despise the fat orange flaky blowhard as much as anybody else but the fact that 99.9% of all politicians are liars by trade tempers somewhat playing the game of divide and conquer as the first and foremost duty of being elected. I also think Russians are more free than Americans without 800 military bases spread across the Earth. What Pogo said about meeting the enemy.


#15

It’s feel-good thinking, just like the “Lock her up!” Trump supporters. There are no grounds for charging Trump with treason, just as there were and are no grounds for charging Clinton with anything, but it makes the Hillary people feel good to scream it at the top of their lungs.

In quoting Article III, the author says this:“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” Conveniently he leaves out: “No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.” It’s like the NRA “quoting” the 2nd amendment thus: “The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

If what Trump did and said in Helsinki rises to the level of treason (Russia may be an adversary of sorts, but we are not at war; they are not now enemies) then two people who witnessed the press conference should promptly bring charges in court, or admit that we are just experiencing a whole lot of wishful thinking and venting.


#16

You’ve grossly oversimplified this. The Constitution uses this language:

“…adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” In this case, Russia could easily be considered an enemy because it is attacking the institutions of our democracy. Trump is clearly giving them aid and comfort. Your implicit assumption that we need a formal declaration of war in order to legally create a legal “enemy” is not how the law works. The law is not pedantic, like your assessment. It looks for the underlying truth of what is going on. In this case, there’s plenty to conclude that it could be treason. A reasonable judge would let this question go to the jury and not dismiss it out of hand.


#17

No formal declaration of war is required to have an enemy. In this case, we have an enemy attacking the institutions of our democracy. This is adequate for the purposes of the Constitution, at least adequate enough to reach the jury were charges brought against Trump. You can’t blithely apply pedantic notions to the law. It’s not how it works. It’s much more nuanced than you allow for.

Do you think if Roosevelt had aided and abetted Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor (with whom we were not at the time “at war”) that it wouldn’t have risen to the level of treason?


#18

The Constitution was written long before the concept of cyberwar or cyberattack could have been conceived. We may not have laws to deal with this with regard to legally calling it a war (although a cyberattack on our electrical grid, for example might be more easily be classified as an act of war). But with Russia having a diminished military and third rate economy cyberattacks is how they can take on a superpower like the US. Trump and Putin are trying to accomplish the same thing, destroy US democracy, although probably for different purposes. Trump wants to establish an authoritarian government where he can be a dictator of white nationalist country and Putin sees it a zero sum game where if the US is diminished that raises the status of Russia. Both Trump and Putin are focused on undermining trust in US institutions such as the electoral system and the press, They want elections to be seen as rigged and the press as putting out fake news. Trump is also engaged in discrediting the US security services so people do not believe their intelligence reports, and to fill the courts with extremist right wing judges. Putin does not think democracy is a good system of government and Trump appears to agree…


#19

“Has colluded”? Really? Where is the evidence that would stand up in court, not rumour or supposition?


#20

Clinton was not being investigated for charges of treason she was being investigated for violations of The Espionage Act. And if any Leftist still loyal to the Democratic Wing of our Wall Street Owned One Party System had bothered to read the Act he or she would have discovered that on July 5, 2016 James Comey laid out a clear case for indicting her under said Act. The fact that Comey had to add the element of intent in order to let her skate is clear indication of her probable guilt. There are people in federal prison at this moment who did far less that Clinton did. Intent nor willful negligence nor any other state or mind is not a prerequisite to violating the Act. The very act of either knowingly or unknowingly committing the act itself is all that is necessary for violation of The Espionage Act. The whole fiasco just confirms that there are little or no consequences if the rich and/or powerful break the law while the rest of us would be in a federal jail cell at this very moment if we had caused just one classified email to be sent from a secured government server or even a printed copy carried home or to someone’s office outside of an appropriate government agency in a briefcase.