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Trump Is a Dangerous Idiot. So Why Are We Pushing Him Toward War?


#21

I don’t think callous is a problem for these folks. After decades of the cold war, harming the Soviet Union justified about anything to those leaders. Some ragtag radicals getting some guns in the desert was not a problem.

To this day, that is mostly praised as a heroic thing - see the movie ‘Charlie Wilson’s War’.

The leadership of Russia always has its more hawkish side like any country - see the deposing of Kruschev - but when I said a lack of options, I meant for Russia, not just Putin. What do the hawks want, nuclear war? If
anything Putin has been pretty damn hawkish with his treatment of Ukraine.

This is the ugly side of international politics - we’re pressuring regions for no one’s benefit but our, and there isn’t a lot they can do about it. Putin wrongs Ukraine, and there isn’t a lot they can do about it. Israel
wrongs the Palestinians, and there isn’t a lot they can do about it.

I’m pretty dubious about the CIA’s role in 1949 - look at another part of it, what we’ve learned of CIA history. We’ve learned intimate information about the 1950’s coups, and nothing similar about 1949, while we know
the politics were very different for CIA intervention in 1949.

While it did great green lights for things like interfering in elections - see Italy, France, Greece under Truman - regime change was another matter. Even the main ‘confessor’ claiming a role changed his story over time. I’d like our country to get a lot more
informed about the 1950’s history, though.


#23

Your simple minded assumption that state socialism is the only alternative to predatory capitalism is specious. Your rant is against a straw man in your own imagination.

You just won an argument with your own imagination.
Congratulations!


#25

Oh … It’s you again …
Over and out …


#27

Aaron Mate does a much more comprehensive and less hysterical treatment of the Putin speech. The use of Pouty Putin is embarrassing coming from someone who fashions himself as a serious journalist.

http://therealnews.com/t2/story:21331:Putin%2C-Trump%2C-and-the-Nuclear-Danger-(22)


#28

Indeed, the best economies are in countries that have the most even distribution of both political and economic power. That is what I say is the essence of democratic socialism.

I do have to laugh at MMinLamesa’s explanation of the cause of a drop in Chilean infant mortality rate. A graph of Chile’s infant mortality rate is here:


The idea that the drop in infant mortality started after Nixon fostered the Fascist military coup in the 70’s is ludicrous - in fact the opposite argument is better supported by the data since that is when it started to level off.
(note that Chile’s national health care service was started in the 1950’s and the drop came right after that)


#30

I’d rather live in the United States with progressive political and social institutions - I hope that I can someday.


#32

Sorry - I just don’t see any relevance in your made up choice. I am a democratic socialist so Venezuela doesn’t particularly hold any relevance for me. Sure, I admire countries like those in Scandinavia that have broad social welfare programs, a much better income distribution than countries like the U.S., and a much happier citizenry than elsewhere - but I still prefer to live in the U.S. because that is where I grew up and have my family and friends.

If you want a straight answer to whether I prefer Chile or Venezuela - I’d have to say Chile between 1970 and 1973.

So where you you prefer to live Norway or Azerbaijan?


#33

I’ve always wondered why it is that we don’t talk directly to North Korea. How else to resolve issues? But I would certainly rather have someone besides Trump do the talking since anything he should agree to is totally meaningless as this oaf changes his mind like I change my baby’s diapers.


#35

Your definition of socialism is like that of Nationalist Socialist Germany; socialist in name only; a society ruled by authoritarian, racist, xenophobic and misanthropic, militant white trash. One could say communist USSR & China leadership was/is in the same sense more conservative than liberal, more dictatorial than democratic in regard to their societal structure. Let me put it this way: In order to serve a Majority, democrats must serve some fair proportion of conservative republican constituent (elected leaders serve if not all then most constituents). Elected republicans, OTOH, have no compunction to serve even a majority of their political base. As GW Bush inferred, “We are the deciders,” running government like a business with little intention to serve the public other than business interests. When a republican politician chants “jobs, jobs, jobs,” they refer to their definition of the general public as consumers, wage slaves and canon fodder. Trump is an evil SOB.


#36

Full interview of Megan Kelly and Putin. Not the propaganda soundbite you see on TV. I know, somebody will call me a Putin stooge.

Peace
Po


#37

The USA is a corporate commercial empire served by an imperialist military and political establishment hell bent on obtaining and exploiting world resources, both natural and human. If Iraq had no oil, we would not have invaded. If Central America and the Caribbean had little agricultural land and labor to exploit in world markets, we wouldn’t have so influenced their nations and culture. Oh, how can we live without luxury air travel to exotic getaways or to visit excommunicated family? Oh, how could we live without wage slave labor abroad producing our clothing and household goods? Oh, can will live without maniacal rush hour driving daily across our municipal counties? Oh, the self-driving car! Yes! That’ll solve everything! Let’s go to war for that! Wheee!


#38

Dear Matt what happened to you when did you get disconnected from reality . Russian bots are real and they are destabilizing democracies around the world every chance they get. We are pushing Trump towards defending the country towards spending 120million on cyber security.

What are you pushing for ? Roll over and see your next vote substituted by Ivan or Natasha?


#39

“The Affluent Society” by Kenneth Galbraith essentially came to the same conclusion - at least that is my personal take away after reading the book many many years ago.

But I really don’t like this Matt Taibbi !

He strikes me as immature - and his reporting is not reporting at all - mostly it is name calling.

As your quote from Marine Corp General Butler attests, war is not a Trump invention, or Obama’s, or the Bushes’, or Clinton’s, etc…

JFK, a veteran, wanted an end to war - result - elimination - and then his younger brother too.

The Deep State has been alive and well since Plymouth Rock, in my opinion, and as evidenced by the superb account by Canadian Ronald Wright, “What is America?”.

And war and tribal conflict literally is our collective history, and when it is temporarily in abeyance, we have proxies, football, Wall Street, competitive science…

We are getting nowhere with this hand-wringing.

Time to stare the human being in the face, breathe deeply, and find real solutions.


#40

A long time ago Frank Zappa said, “Government is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex”.


#41

There may be a crack in the solid Democratic Russian hysteria. I still can’t find much about this letter dated March 8, 2018.

“In a sad commentary on the parlous state of the U.S. media, a letter to Secretary of State Rex Tillerson from four United States Senators dated March 8 calling for opening arms control talks with the Kremlin ASAP is nowhere to be found in mainstream newspapers a day after its release on the Senate home page of one of the authors.”…Ray McGovern, Gilbert Doctorow


#42

Well, another invertebrate crawls out of its swamp to stretch its tentacles.

Says the invertebrate: “ “socialist” regimes have murdered over 100,000,000 of their citizens in the last century.”

Name just one ‘socialist’ regime. In fact, name any ‘socialist’ government. And do keep in mind, assuming you have one, that ‘socialist’ governments aren’t centralized. You know, like all the other governments on the planet. Your ‘Human Progress’ Dick and Jane site probably didn’t mention that, despite indulging in plenty of old Cold War cliches. “Free economy’, if not free citizens, ‘Cato’ used as a reliable propaganda source, the ‘failure of socialism’ mantra, can’t be a good Hayek groupie without it, the obligatory quackery to privatize Social Security. And the oblivious…“ In 1975, Venezuelans lived longer than Chileans.” Perhaps you overlooked something. Maybe this will help you recall a little history.

From the National Security Archives: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB470/

A sampling:

Covert U.S. planning to block the democratic election of Salvador Allende in Chile began weeks before his September 4, 1970, victory, according to just declassified minutes of an August 19, 1970, meeting of the high-level interagency committee known as the Special Review Group, chaired by National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. “Kissinger asked that the plan be as precise as possible and include what orders would be given September 5, to whom, and in what way,” as the summary recorded Kissinger’s instructions to CIA Director Richard Helms. “Kissinger said we should present to the President an action plan to prevent [the Chilean Congress from ratifying] an Allende victory…and noted that the President may decide to move even if we do not recommend it.”

“The document is one of a compendium of some 366 records released by the State Department as part of its Foreign Relations of the United States (FRUS) series. The much-delayed collection, titled “Chile: 1969-1973,” addresses Richard Nixon’s and Kissinger’s efforts to destabilize the democratically elected Socialist government of Salvador Allende, and the U.S.-supported coup that brought General Augusto Pinochet to power in 1973. The controversial volume was edited by two former officials of the State Department’s Office of the Historian, James Siekmeier and James McElveen.”

From the North American Congress of Latin American: “The Atrocities of Augusto Pinochet and the United States.”
https://nacla.org/news/atrocities-augusto-pinochet-and-united-states

Then there’s the 2002 coup against Hugo Chavez. A few reminders:

Take your time. Unlike your Dick and Jane smack site, these articles use actual verbs.


#43

Oblivious to Taibbi’s eloquence in articulating well-founded concern about the nuclear threat - given the little problem of having a psychotic infant in office - the straw-man implication that Taibbi is somehow naive about “Russian bots,” threadbare as hell, is again waved around, just to keep beating the drum. This is what a running-dog warbot sounds like.


#44

When the only thing driving politics is competition and one-upmanship, the planet reels from one blitheringly idiotic manufactured crisis to another in a seemingly unending spiral toward the bottom. I don’t get it. At what point are we going to grow up already. I can’t take any of this BS seriously, it’s all so–middle school. In a deadly, vicious way.


#46

Et tu Brute’? You LIVED in Russia in the distant past – whether Putin is a weakling or a mobster should be beside the point from your perspective; the mere fact that you are alive to insult him makes VLAD PUTIN a being to RESPECT ----- your mere PRESENCE is proof he isn’t as bad as our orangutard is!


#47

I didn’t even bother to reply to the numerous factual errors and twisted spins throughout his rant. You can knock down every single one of his arguments - and he’ll still insist on arguing.

But thanks for pointing out that one.

The notion that Pinochet did anything good for Chile would be laughable were it not so painfully wrong. And, to point out the obvious, the horrors visited on Chile were directly attributable to the US’ “Operatoin Condor” - yet another example of predatory capitalism’s endless wars to sustain itself.