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Trump Must Be Removed From Office and We Must Create a Pathway to Peace

Originally published at http://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/01/03/trump-must-be-removed-office-and-we-must-create-pathway-peace

If Iran does nothing it will seal Trump’s re election.

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Wouldn’t count on that, to be sure, there will be a response from Iran.

“Republican members of Congress need to here the message that it is their time to respond with moral conscience, they should see the messages on signs everyday: ‘Country over party’ and ‘You swore an Oath!’.”

Most here can agree on this action, but expecting it to happen is a fools gold. Neocons have proven they are way past the Rubicon on this subject to do the right and moral thing for the country.

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Wow, confused much Paul?
Iran hasn’t attacked another country for over 230 years, too bad the US can’t say the same thing, but nice try coming here to CD to parrot the official Iranian BS talking points.
So Paul, I assume you are already in the military, or joined up this morning, I’m sure you wouldn’t want to miss out on this new war your so enthusiastic for the US to fight. Right?

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The warmongers/war lovers are also in Congress and the corporate media, which also gets huge ratings covering war.

They are ALL despicable excuses for human beings.

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Military “intervention” in Iraq is illegal and a War Crime punishable by death. Wagng a war of aggression was the supreme War Crime prosecuted at the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal after WW II.

The belligerent, arrogant U.S. Empire has 45+ military bases surrounding Iran, pulled out of the Iran nuclear agreement, and imposed brutal sanctions on Iran which have resulted in the avoidable deaths of tens of thousands of Iranians.

Your support of this war crime makes you complicit.

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On behalf of the World Socialist Party of the United States, [https://www.wspus.org/] part of the World Socialist Movement

I suggest that Iran refer the case to the ICC. It is a crime against the Iranian government and the sovereignty of the Iraqi people.
Trump should be called before the court of international law – a much better solution than moving toward war, which would have devastating consequences worldwide.

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Your improper use of articles (of, the, etc., plus using them in the wrong place or not at all when proper grammar calls for them) and awkward word order screams troll farm from a locality where English is not the tongue of the realm. However, it does indicate a locality or two or three that would love for the USA to do their dirty work of fighting Iran for them.

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Hi Paul_ Lincoln:
LOL, I think you’re mixing up another nation with Iran. If you replace Iran with Israel, then you might have an inkling of what the Palestinians go through. : (

America has cells all over the world that implode nations: For example, what is it that you think CIA does? ( see Mr Guaido and Venezuela, or what happened to Mr. Morales in Bolivia, or actually—what happened to Iran in 1953, when the only democracy un the Middle East was overthrown for the Shah, who was much more friendly to oil companies.
I do like to remind people that iran( Persia) was the world’s first superpower. and unlike the UK and America, Iran has learned that power is not all it’s cracked up to be. The UK and America, and Israel have yet to learn that lesson…as George Santayana wrote: " Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it." : (

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Unfortunately, the GOP has made it abundantly clear that there is no way they will allow drumpf to be removed from office, regardless of what he does. And the corpDems voted for an obscenely massive “defense” budget, so regardless of their posturing, they already have allowed drumpf to proceed. And the corp media will say what the MIC tells them to say, while blacking out any/all dissent.
Yeah, there’s a monster on the loose, and this may be the last stand. It’s our call.

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Lavin writes as though the Democrats were in general against the war or war in general. Yet Democrats and Republicans just passed another ridiculous military budget, and Democrats have criticized Donald Trump–yes, even Donald Trump–principally for not being warlike enough,

Let’s not confuse Democratic affiliation or Republican with an antiwar position. None of these generally go together.

It matters who replaces Trump. The majority of the possibilities are pro-war.

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How can we mitigate Climate Change if we are busy fighting each other? Not One Damned Thing is more important than what is happening to our planet due to human greed, stupidity, and ignorance!

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I really have never met a war hawk progressive Democrat.

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We’re kinda screwed either way. If the Iranians retaliate, then we have our rah rah Idiot-in-Chief to lead us against them. If they do nothing, then he will claim victory.

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Right, because there are so very few. Democrats in general tend to be de-facto war-hawks–the majority of them. Either by commission (voting for war and pentagon budgets) or omission (silent).

Santayana was probably wrong. History can also be said to repeat itself by design. Human evolution has seen to it that we are plagued by a “ridiculously easy indoctrinability” (EO Wilson), and our evolutionarily selected passion for Totem figures (Lincoln in DC, Washington’s monument, Presidential Images on coins, Mt Rushmore, Jesus, Mohammed) inclines us to look for Fathers who will guild and protect us time after time–provided that we surrender to him or the institutions that represent him (cathedrals, mosques, temples, legislative halls). Thoreau saw all this from within his Concord jail cell. While he was free, he knew that those outside not more free…were compelled by culture to do what each had to do, believe what each had to believe, to choose from the acceptable options presented to them. The few that manage slip the leash are soon quarantined.

Hi modelforjoe:
LOL, but I think that Santayana was correct. Then too, we have lots of “men” statues because it took a long time—and there’s still lots of longing from women for wanting more input too. I always find it interesting that “Liberty” seems often to be using female pictures of statues------------but who remembers that Tomarise) ( spelling. sp?)-…) who was the warrior Queen who cut off Cyrus the Great’s head and stuffed it into a wine bag, for payback for getting her soldiers ( including her son) drunk and easily offed?
I think that sometimes reading history can make nations think that they are invincible—I think that is where America is right now in thinking that it is the greatest nation. America seems for many to be living on WW 2 glories—because Vietnam was a horror and Bush’s Iraq war is a horror, because actually, America , the UK and others have really distabilized the Middle East for the longest time—since WW !.And now we have president Bone Spurs wanting to be a Space president of the Universe or some other odd thing. Does anyone stop to think that the planet is better off for ALL when peace reigns, instead of the reign of war products? Santayana was right for my mind, because the STUPIDITY and HORROR of war is created over and over again, by nations both big and small and smart and dumb.: (

I think becasue so much written history has come down to us from ancient times—that people do read about what has happened in the past. Sadly human beings are great at reading of past glories of nations—and the readers pebbly think—if this ancients can do its so can we!

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You can serve Israel or you can serve the US: You can’t serve both without favoring one. Withdrawing from the Iran deal and imposing sanctions was good for Israel because it serves to weaken a country opposing its brutal unjust treatment of the Palestinians, but clearly bad for the U.S.; and if punitive US actions against Iran following the withdrawal lead to U.S. war against Iran, then that, for Israel, would be a good result in that it would remove an adversary of Israel, but would be horrific for the U.S. Bibi Netanyahu has worked closely with self-serving manipulated-oaf Trump to engineer the withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal and consequent U.S-Iran confrontation.

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Tomarise. Wow, will look that up. Thanks for reply. Apologies in advance for taking up space here, but your statement “sometimes reading history can make nations think they are invincible” reminds me of this great poem by Carl Sandburg: Four Preludes on Playthings of the Wind. Will quote it in full here for the benefit of anyone who chooses to read it.

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THE WOMAN named To-morrow
sits with a hairpin in her teeth
and takes her time
and does her hair the way she wants it
and fastens at last the last braid and coil
and puts the hairpin where it belongs
and turns and drawls: Well, what of it?
My grandmother, Yesterday, is gone.
What of it? Let the dead be dead.

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The doors were cedar
and the panels strips of gold
and the girls were golden girls
and the panels read and the girls chanted:
We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation:
nothing like us ever was.

The doors are twisted on broken hinges.
Sheets of rain swish through on the wind
where the golden girls ran and the panels read:
We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation,
nothing like us ever was.

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It has happened before.
Strong men put up a city and got
a nation together,
And paid singers to sing and women
to warble: We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation,
nothing like us ever was.

And while the singers sang
and the strong men listened
and paid the singers well
and felt good about it all,
there were rats and lizards who listened
… and the only listeners left now
… are… the rats… and the lizards.

And there are black crows
crying, ‘Caw, caw,’
bringing mud and sticks
building a nest
over the words carved
on the doors where the panels were cedar
and the strips on the panels were gold
and the golden girls came singing:
We are the greatest city,
the greatest nation:
nothing like us ever was.

The only singers now are crows crying, ‘Caw, caw,’
And the sheets of rain whine in the wind and doorways.
And the only listeners now are… the rats… and the lizards.

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The feet of the rats
scribble on the door sills;
the hieroglyphs of the rat footprints
chatter the pedigrees of the rats
and babble of the blood
and gabble of the breed
of the grandfathers and the great-grandfathers
of the rats.

And the wind shifts
and the dust on a door sill shifts
and even the writing of the rat footprints
tells us nothing, nothing at all
about the greatest city, the greatest nation
where the strong men listened
and the women warbled: Nothing like us ever was.

Carl Sandburg