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UK Conservatives Lose Over 1,200 Local Seats in Local Elections

UK Conservatives Lose Over 1,200 Local Seats in Local Elections

Eoin Higgins, staff writer

Small and independent parties won big in local elections in the U.K. on Thursday as the country's two largest parties suffered decisive defeats.

The Greens, a left-wing party, posted their biggest gain in years.

"We've broken through on to the councils to become the new voice," party co-leader Siân Berry told The Guardian.

The Liberal Democrats, a centrist party that opposes Brexit, also saw large gains.

“A plague on both your houses.”

Has a nice ring to it

Hopefully we can push the Greens to being actually viable as an alternative party that can win

Progressive whatever flavor seems to see the best advantages

I hope the change in the UK is contagious.

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i think Labour likely would’ve gained, since the core of the Lib Dems are old Blairites, and that’s why their numbers shot up and Labour’s remained flat.

Definitely not a “pox on both houses” result, though. 1200 to 100 seats? As the Brits would say, “bollocks”.

Good for the Greens, but I think right now, if you’re on the Left, you need to be solidly in support of Corbyn, especially if they really are driving the Blairites out of the party and into the more toothless Lib Dems.

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I wouldn’t class the Greens as a left wing party I would say …It’s more a question of functionality as to what works for the future of humans on this particular planet .

What’s for the highest good or common good of all .
We must change the message ,not oppose but compose.
Set a new tone the party that works for the highest good of all .

This election wasn’t about conventional politics, Blairites etc, it was all about Brexit. Vast swathes of Labour voters, and many Tories, who are largely pro-remain, switched to the Lib Dems and Greens because both those parties are pro-remain and had a second referendum on EU membership as part of their manifesto. Labour on the other hand, under Corbyn’s dictatorial leadership, saw their vote almost wiped out in some places, because they continue to sit on the fence regarding brexit and won’t properly back a People’s Vote even though the majority of Labour members want this, the majority of Labour voters want this, the trade Unions, Labour’s traditional backers, want this, Momentum and the youth element of Labour activism want this and the Labour Party itself voted to endorse it at the Labour Party Conference in Liverpool last Autumn. There was a sizeable demonstration of Labour activists outside calling for it. Yet Corbyn himself doesn’t want it and so in defiance of the mood of his party, tries to block it. He is showing he has very little respect for the democracy or Will of his party, surrounding himself with a clique of like-minded supporters who ignore and suppress this general mood as he tries to appeal to all sides of the Brexit debate. That’s why several Labour MPs resigned and formed a their own new pro-remain Party, The Independent Group, lead by Chuka Umunna earlier this year. If Corbyn carries on like this, he’s going to destroy the Labour Party altogether. I voted for Corbyn to retain leadership of the Party in the Blairite coup some years back, yet I’m regretting it now. On the positive side, it’s a great gain for the Greens, the Party I now vote for. I think the key to understanding this election result is to look at the parties that gained massively, they are nearly all pro-remain Parties supporting another referendum. Even UKIP saw their vote drop significantly.

Labor lost a lousy 100 seats. The Tories got creamed. If it was about Brexit–and i have no doubt that was a factor and doesn’t constitute a challenge to my original argument that it was Blairites leaving labor for the Lib Dems (and no, they wouldn’t go Green for chrissakes), then essentially those who wish to remain in servitude to Brussels and the Eurobanks rightfully held the Tories as most responsible. Obviously there are some middle/professional class Labour voters who aren’t corporatists (such as yourself, presumably) fluffed up the Green ranks.

Your argument isn’t really about my description of why the votes went the way they did. It’s taking exception to my assertion that hte Left needs to support Corbyn. I disagree intensely with the Remain position for any leftist, but I understand it, especially if one is prone to define what they’re against by what their “enemies” are for. Corbyn’s gripe with the EU is pretty boilerplate leftist aggravation at the banker state, seeing that as the larger menace than a mob of unruly racists. It’s fine if you don’t agree with it, but at the very least, you should understand it. But I appreciate your input, I do. It’s an argument the left has been having for some time.

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Good…

ok more words

It wasn’t just about losing seats, Labour’s pool of the vote was down, even in seats they held, and at a time when the Conservatives are so weak they’re virtually flat on their back, in the worst state they’ve been for decades, so Labour should have made massive gains. If they can’t deliver a killer punch now when their opponent is on the deck, ripping themselves apart in a bloodbath, experiencing a crisis, they’ve got no chance. And that’s all down to JC and his stance on brexit. If this was about Blairite vs Corbynistas then there would have been swings to the Lib Dems in previous elections since Corbyn came to power including the General election held by May the other year in which the Tory majority was wiped out, but there wasn’t, because it isn’t about that, it’s ALL about brexit. Just about everything that happens in UK politics for the last two years has been about brexit. Nothing else gets a look in, normal politics is in a state of suspended animation, in a kind of chaotic paralysis. Similarly, old party loyalities are breaking down entirely as voters regard only their position on brexit.

As for your comments about the EU and equating the continent with more social democracy than anywhere else on the planet with neo-liberal, corporatism, well I’ve had that same argument on CD boards with many people on your side of the Atlantic many times and my general perception is most Americans are really poorly informed about this and just don’t get it. I don’t want to get into all that again here, so would just say just look at who it is who engineered brexit which is the Thatcherite, neo-liberal, pro-deregulation, pro-privatisation, uber-capitalist wing of the Conservative Party supported by money from US alt-right groups, heartily backed by Steven Bannon as well as far right populists, so it would be hard to see how such uber-corporatists would be against the EU if the EU was itself uber-corporatist, would it not? Nor how it would be a good idea idea for the working classes. Brexiters are big WTO fans, which is about as corporatist as it gets. It is generally a Conservative project largely backed by many of its voters. This link gives a useful overview: https://thebrexitsyndicate.com/

I agree with you in your estimate of JC, he’s an old school Bennite, whose ideas I agree with regarding public ownership and other policies but he’s alienating his voter base and support for worthy projects such as that, due to his being on the wrong side of the Labour fence when it comes to the EU, the ‘People’s Vote’ and brexit and it’s going to destroy the Party or his own leadership, I’d say within a year or so, unless he changes his point of view and stops the dictatorial attitude. You say Leftists should back him, it’s more that he should back other Leftists and his Party. He’s in an out-dated, 70’s time-warp regarding the EU and if he thinks post-brexit he’s going to be able to install socialist ideas and programmes in the de-regulated, freemarket, trans-Atlantic, neo-liberal, globalised, low tax economy that the UK–or what’s left of it after it’s fragmented-- will become, then he’s deeply deluded and unfortunately, he’s gonna take us all down with him.

Also, I’m not middle/professional class Labour voter, I’m working class, living in a post-industrial deprived area.